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If you want it to be
quoted may sound condescending, but its not since this guide doesn't explain how someone should or shouldnt to use the volume avail.

on a personal note, if your boot drive is small then i dont see why the user wouldn't want use the entire volume available.
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First of all, thanks for the wonderful how-to on this one. It's exactly what I had been looking for. RATE UP! I just wish that I had found it a month ago when I first got my computer.

Anywho, I followed your instructions exactly, and although everything seems to be working fine, a few things occurred during the process that were not in line with the process you described, so I have quite a few questions to ask.

1. I assume steps 2 - 10 are supposed to be completed from the dummy profile. Is this correct?

2. Is it vital to install ALL drivers in the boot drive ? If not, is there any kind of advantage to installing video drivers for instance, on the primary vs the secondary?

3. In step 7, you use the word "move", however the only option I had was to copy. I also discovered that Z:\\Users already had these two folders, so when I copied the two over, I opted to replace them both. Does any of that not sound right?

4. In step 11, did you mean to reboot in safe mode? I rebooted normally and completed those steps in normal mode. Does that mess anything up?

5. In step 16, I could not complete this step the first time around. Everytime I tried to delete the User folder from my C drive, I kept getting a message stating that another program was using this folder or a file in the folder. I finally booted into safemode and was able to delete it without any problems from there. I'm concerned about this. Did I mess something up? Did completing step 11 in normal mode instead of safe mode change things?
Same questions. Any clarification?
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1. I assume steps 2 - 10 are supposed to be completed from the dummy profile. Is this correct?

Yes

2. Is it vital to install ALL drivers in the boot drive ? If not, is there any kind of advantage to installing video drivers for instance, on the primary vs the secondary?

Intall all the drivers to boot drive to keep bootup fast and system integrity

3. In step 7, you use the word "move", however the only option I had was to copy. I also discovered that Z:\\Users already had these two folders, so when I copied the two over, I opted to replace them both. Does any of that not sound right?

Yes thats fine since the original folder will be deleted. the default folder is very important mainly.

4. In step 11, did you mean to reboot in safe mode? I rebooted normally and completed those steps in normal mode. Does that mess anything up?

Boot in normal mode

5. In step 16, I could not complete this step the first time around. Everytime I tried to delete the User folder from my C drive, I kept getting a message stating that another program was using this folder or a file in the folder. I finally booted into safemode and was able to delete it without any problems from there. I'm concerned about this. Did I mess something up? Did completing step 11 in normal mode instead of safe mode change things?

Thats exactly the way to do it if gives resistance, but it shouldnt on a healthy clean OS install.

6. I downloaded ATI Catalyst shortly after. Instead of it going to a "Downloads" folder like I'm used to, it was in this folder called Users/*/AppData, which I've never seen before. It was then that I realized that there was no downloads folder in my User folder, so I went ahead and just created one. I was still able to run the .exe and installed everything fine to my Z drive. I guess I'm a bit worried that things may not be pointing in the right direction, and I would like some measure of assurance that I did this properly before I start reinstalling all of my programs and transferring all of my data.

The Downloads folder and all other folders should be there as if nothing every happened if everything was done correctly. Something wasnt done correctly if this happened.
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Hello everyone, new guy here, just had a few questions. Also, i'm at work so I haven't had time to read every single post, I hope this hasn't already been answered.

First off, I'm about to start my first PC build, so i'm a little noobish. What I'm wanting to do is have an SSD as my boot drive, and two HDDs in RAID 0 for everything else.

So, I have a 40gb SSD that I want as my boot drive, and 2 1tb HDDs that I want in RAID 0. What are the correct steps to take in order to do this correctly? If I'm understanding right, I need to install all 3 of these drives, set HDDs in RAID 0, leave SSD out of RAID, install Win7 onto SSD, and then follow the rest of the steps in the guide?

Or, will I have to install the SSD, install Win7 onto it, then shut down and install the 2 other hard drives and THEN set the 2 in RAID 0? Sorry, i'm a little confused, I just want to do this right the first time. I've read of few things about people installing 3 HDDs, putting 2 in RAID, then having to setup the third in the disk manager. So would that mean, if I installed all 3 drives from the start, set up the HDDs in RAID 0, I would have to setup the SSD in device manager? Which would not be good for what i'm trying to do.

Anyways, if anyone can explain to me the proper way of doing this I would be eternally grateful, thanks.
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Hello everyone, new guy here, just had a few questions. Also, i'm at work so I haven't had time to read every single post, I hope this hasn't already been answered.

First off, I'm about to start my first PC build, so i'm a little noobish. What I'm wanting to do is have an SSD as my boot drive, and two HDDs in RAID 0 for everything else.

So, I have a 40gb SSD that I want as my boot drive, and 2 1tb HDDs that I want in RAID 0. What are the correct steps to take in order to do this correctly? If I'm understanding right, I need to install all 3 of these drives, set HDDs in RAID 0, leave SSD out of RAID, install Win7 onto SSD, and then follow the rest of the steps in the guide?

Or, will I have to install the SSD, install Win7 onto it, then shut down and install the 2 other hard drives and THEN set the 2 in RAID 0? Sorry, i'm a little confused, I just want to do this right the first time. I've read of few things about people installing 3 HDDs, putting 2 in RAID, then having to setup the third in the disk manager. So would that mean, if I installed all 3 drives from the start, set up the HDDs in RAID 0, I would have to setup the SSD in device manager? Which would not be good for what i'm trying to do.

Anyways, if anyone can explain to me the proper way of doing this I would be eternally grateful, thanks.
Probably best to:

1. Set mobo BIOS SATA controller to RAID mode
2. Plug in ONLY the SSD and Optical drive (using the first SATA port for SSD)
3. Install Windows, using Intel's latest RAID drivers 9.6 -- if you're on an Intel SATA controller.
4. Shutdown after installing Windows and plug in the other 2 drives
5. Setup the RAID array in the RAID BIOS (Configuration Utility)
6. Boot into windows
7. Create partition(s) and format the storage drive array
8. DONE

Step 2 and 3 will ensure that Windows doesn't try to place it's boot sector on the RAID array..
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Being in no way an expert and at the risk therefore of not fully understanding all the details would you be kind enough to confirm one point.

Since, as I understand, some of the programmes are installed on a second HDD, when you back-up your system presumably you would need one back-up of the SSD and one of the second drive to ensure they are in sync on any subsequent restoration.

I believe the main object is to locate some applications off the SSD not least if the SSD isn't large enough to accommodate everything you might want to install.
Presumably there will still be some access to the SSD but repeated access could be substantially reduced if not eliminated.


If the following is Off Topic my apologies and I would appreciate it being deleted.

What does occur to me, again if I understand correctly, is that you could adopt the same approach with a RamDisk.
Obviously there would be limitations in the size of applications involved but I run Portable Firefox in a RamDisk in the belief that it is faster this way as well as bringing other benefits.
With this approach I could run a standard version of FF which could be desirable.

There are probably a number of applications you can run in this way which means you would be thrashing Ram and not your SSD.
Edit: I assume Ram is still a lot faster than an SSD.
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Being in no way an expert and at the risk therefore of not fully understanding all the details would you be kind enough to confirm one point.

Since, as I understand, some of the programmes are installed on a second HDD, when you back-up your system presumably you would need one back-up of the SSD and one of the second drive to ensure they are in sync on any subsequent restoration.

I believe the main object is to locate some applications off the SSD not least if the SSD isn't large enough to accommodate everything you might want to install.
Presumably there will still be some access to the SSD but repeated access could be substantially reduced if not eliminated.


If the following is Off Topic my apologies and I would appreciate it being deleted.

What does occur to me, again if I understand correctly, is that you could adopt the same approach with a RamDisk.
Obviously there would be limitations in the size of applications involved but I run Portable Firefox in a RamDisk in the belief that it is faster this way as well as bringing other benefits.
With this approach I could run a standard version of FF which could be desirable.

There are probably a number of applications you can run in this way which means you would be thrashing Ram and not your SSD.
Edit: I assume Ram is still a lot faster than an SSD.

Yep RAM is pretty fast alright

I use a RAMDisk for my FF profile and "disk" cache... the actual program is on my system drive.

That way the stuff it writes a lot is in the RAMDisk...
I've got a persistent RAMDisk, it writes the image to disk at shutdown and reads it at start up... bit slower shutdown/startup but I don't mind...
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Hi,
I am feeling a bit out of my depth here, this being my first build , so please excuse what seem like stupid questions but......
In step 7 you say move the "default" folder does this mean the one with the dummy profile name ? or is there a folder called"default" ?
I have tried this several times now(doing a clean install each time as I dont trust myself to correctly change things back, this has taken a few days and without help i am just going to bin the SSD) when i try to move the folder with the name of dummy profile there are always files that cannot be moved because they are in use. The net result of this is at the end I cannot log in to the new profile. I am going to (again) do a fresh install and hope for some assistance by the time it's complete.
One other thing , not sure if it matters but the SSD runs through a Rocket 600ser sata6gb/s controller
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Hi,
I am feeling a bit out of my depth here, this being my first build , so please excuse what seem like stupid questions but......
Hey, welcome to OCN

I would classify the method of transplanting your users folders in this thread as more of an enthusiast level thing to do so if you're feeling a bit out of your depth there is another perfectly reasonable way you can handle this by following this thread. It's not for me to say which is best or what you should do, both are reasonable solutions but it's not entirely necessary to go for the registry tweaking route if it all seems a bit much.

You might also want to check out the sticky at the top for further little optimisations like disabling hibernation or reducing the size of your page file.

If you'd still like to proceed with this particular method then I'm sure some more users will be able to help you out. I have done this method but frankly when I get around to installing again I'd probably keep things simpler next time. This method solved a particular issue I was having but I've since come up with other easier solutions anyway.
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Thanks for that but with a 60gb SSd my biggest problem is going to be programs /applications which is why i was following this route.

p.s. and as for this being an "enthusiast" route , surely 8 fresh installs of win7 counts as enthusiastic. lol
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