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Poll Results: Which One Should I Get?

 
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    i7-860
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    i5-750
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post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by candy_van View Post
Neither chip is more "future proof" for games; unless HT becomes the crux of gaming which it hasn't since inception (it's nothing new BTW).



i7 860 runs cooler? No, these chips run significantly hotter comparatively to an i5 750 (higher voltages and hyper-threading); subsequently I would like to know what cooling was used for this "comparison."
As far as processing power is concerned yes the i7 860 does beat an i5 750 in numerous tests, but again here actual gaming performance between the two is negligible.


Please be clear I am not trying to aimlessly defend my own purchase; if you need to make proper use of HT (such as encoding) then an i7 860 WOULD be a better choice.
Many new games coming in the near future will actually utilize multiple threads of CPUs, so I would definitely say that HT will begin to show some of it's worth with gaming in the near future.

I can't speak for the i5-750, but the i7-860 seems to be a bloody hot chip. I don't have a slouch of a watercooling system, but the 860 definitely makes it work.
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post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by TheOcelot View Post
I've seen 750s hit 70c on 3.6 ghz after a few minutes of stress testing. After multiple reseating and even thermal grease redos the difference was minimal. I havent seen many 860 heat tests but you could be right.

But I have seen benchmarks from hardwarecanucks and a few others where the i7 860 wins in games vs the i5

HERE you can see the i5 has higher stock voltages then the 870. (benchmarks a few pages down)

VID is 0.032v difference and that's an i7 870 not 860; they are also two particular chips used for testing, and do not represent all i5s/i7s.
The majority of 1156 users here aren't making generalities up, nor should one review be used to draw conclusions of that nature (for example G3Ds results differ, now what? lol)
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post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by candy_van View Post
VID is 0.032v difference and that's an i7 870 not 860; they are also two particular chips used for testing, and do not represent all i5s/i7s.
The majority of 1156 users here aren't making generalities up, nor should one review be used to draw conclusions of that nature (for example G3Ds results differ, now what? lol)
I said it was an 870...
    
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post #14 of 27
I really see no point in going a I5 750. You already have a E8500 over 4ghz. Whats the point of upgrade to a CPU on the level of a mild overclocked Q9550?

If i were you I either get a quad 775 + fermi/5850 Or go I7 860. However, if your I7 860's CPU, board and ram are over $550 than i suggest you go X58+I7 920.
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post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by 5ILVgeARX View Post
I really see no point in going a I5 750. You already have a E8500 over 4ghz. Whats the point of upgrade to a CPU on the level of a mild overclocked Q9550?

If i were you I either get a quad 775 + fermi/5850 Or go I7 860. However, if your I7 860's CPU, board and ram are over $550 than i suggest you go X58+I7 920.
...Really dude?

Why do people presume you are replacing what is in your signature. In fact it's a build for my brother, I am doing. Plus this has nothing to do with the question. Just which one should I buy (750/860), no if's and buts..
post #16 of 27
you really should build an lga 1336 system instead
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post #17 of 27
i have had no problems with my i7 860. it overclocked to 4ghz with no problem and with future games you will wish you had the ht
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post #18 of 27
Guys, it seems you're overrating HT in real life applications a little bit and thinking that once, let us assume, 100% CPU usage is reached, the benefit from HT will be definitely gained. Not necessarily. First of all, what is a Hyper Threading? It's a processors ability to improve parallelization of computation and it means:
Let's say, we have single core CPU with hyperthreadng. As we know, CPU performs all it's operations in various registers (like Address registers, Conditional registers, Vector registers...). Speaking generally, if program does it's work in Vector registers and suddenly requests data from "slow" RAM (RAM is slow in comparison with CPU's cache speed, so while data is being transferred from it, CPU remains idle), and, let's say, there's some work to do in Floating Point Unit registers , HT with appropriate program's CPU time handler can switch from vector register to FPU and thus improve the performance. In this case HT performance benefit is biggest (like 35%), but these situations are mainly seen just in benchmarks (3DMark Vantage CPU Test, Cinebench 11.5, SANDRA...) In other words, benchmark include code which deliberately makes one registers to idle so that HT would make a big impact on benchmark results. I've also seen such performance gains in real word applications, but they're quite rare. Mostly HT yields about 10 - 15% of additional performance over non-HT CPUs BECAUSE:
1) When CPU works, it stores most frequently used in its cache. Let's say, thread 1 is waiting for the data to be transferred from RAM and thread 2 is performing other task. It this particular situation thread 2 is likely to delete thread's 1 previously stored data on L2 cache. Later, thread 1 will have to transfer same data from RAM once again. This definitely costs time and reduces HT efficiency.
2) Let's say, threads 1 works all the time and doesn't leave CPU's time for thread 2. Under these circumstances, HT efficiency will be 10 - 15%. If programmer uses BGH algorithm, HT won't help at all.
As far as I know, benchmarks like 3DMark06 CPU test, Cinebench R10 were coded for multicore CPU's without concerning HT and performance gains proves to be ~10 - 15%.
To sum up:
In order to take full potential of HT, programs must be additionally optimized, but that usually takes more time and is not always possible.
P.S Sorry if you find the explanation a little messy
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post #19 of 27
if you don't think it's worth the 80 bucks over the i5, what about 40 bucks over the i5? you can get the Xeon X3440. Bam. A higher binned i7 860 and it's cheaper.
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post #20 of 27
The i7 860. I had one and it was a pretty decent CPU, I liked it how it hits 3.5Ghz on full load with turbo boost enabled.
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