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First time OCer w/2.5 GHz Northy and ECS Mobo

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Here's what I have:
Socket 478 2.5Ghz P4 Nothwood 400Mhzfsb w/stock Heatsink&Fan from an HP
ECS L4VXA2 Mobo
1 - 1GB DDR 333 PC 2700 chip
1 - 512MB DDR 333 PC 2700 chip
1 - 256MB DDR 333 PC 2700 chip
EVGA GeFORCE 5500FX 256MB DDR AGP8X w/fan
Mid tower w/450w Power Supply and 1 side fan

Here's my question.
I haven't put the system together yet and any advice would be awesome. The Mobo manual says that the mobo supports either a 400 or 533 fsb. The fsb can be adjusted by means of a jumper that switches between auto and 533, or in the bios. Whick method is better? I want to know if setting the fsb to 533 will cause any easily forseable problems with the system. I am aware that there are always risks, I just want to know what I can do to prevent them. Like will there be any problems since the Ram will be running at 166mhz bus and the CPU at 133mhz(i think)? Will this OC effect the agp and pci? I've heard that OCing the FSB effects them but I wonder if that still applies to me cause my Mobo naturaly handles 400 or 533. Also, my ram is pretty cheap. all 3 chips have a cas of 2.5. BUt I don't want to do too much to the ram cause I dont trust it too horribly. How should I adjust the Multiplier? Should I start by turning it down and then gradualy up? I don't want to push it too far. Does anyone have experience with this chip? Settings I am most curious about have arrows by them.
Other adjustments available are:

RAM:
DRAM clock
DRAM timing
SDRAM CAS latency
Bank Interleave
Precharge to active
Active to precharge
Active to CMD
Dram command rate
DRAM burst length
Write recovery time

AGP:
AGP Aperture size
AGP Mode (4X) <----------------------
AGP Driving Control
AGP Fast write <----------------------
AGP Master 1 WS write
AGP Master 1 WS read
DBI Output for AGP Trans.

Frequency/Voltage:
CPU Ratio(multiplier) <----------------- <------------------
Auto Detect DIMM/PCI Clock
Spread Spectrum <-----------------------------
CPU Host/AGP/PCI Clock <----------------------
CPU/DDR Voltage <---------------------------

Again, any recomendations you have will be very welcome. Oh and finaly, what does everyone recomend about cooling? I have room for up to 5 more fans in my case. Should the fans all point in? should I have a push pull configuration? If I should push pull should I push from the front to the back, back to front or one in one out on both sides? I don't want to spend too much cash so a water cooler is out of the question. I am willing to replace the stock heatsink and fan on the cpu if the stock one wont do. Thanks!
Edit:I just bought a 10pack of MASSCOOL fans from newegg. So including the ones on the CPU the GPU and the Power Supply the whole PC will have 9 fans!
post #2 of 9
Hey welcome to OC.net

Ok, i would set it on 400FSB mode, because your processor default FSB is 400. Ok, for the CPU ratio, It cant be adjusted because intel "locks" their processors (or can it?) so there is no tweeking to do there. For the "CPU host/AGP/PCI clock" there should be these options, either, "locked" (choose that) or it will allow you to adjust it. Ajust it to 66 for the AGP and 33 for the PCI. If it has a ratio, should be something like 4:2:1 or 8:2:1. Set it to any of the following
CPU DDR voltage, uh does it allow you to change it? Because my old ECS board didnt allow me to change my vcore. If it does, well, dont push the vcore above 1.7 as a general rule for northys. (leave it stock or .1v higer for starters)
For spread spectrum, keep that disabled.
For AGP mode, if it allows you to change it to 8x, do so, if it doesnt, 4x is fine.
AGP fastwrites should be on, this feature just adds to preformance

For cooling, you want a push, pull system to remove heat but to add cold air in at the same time. For cooling, is noise a problem? Also how much do you have to spend on a new heatsink?

In total, I wouldnt expect you to get very far with this processor. You have a good OCing processor, but i dont know about the motherboard. ECS isnt a great brand to OC with, but we can allways give it a shot.
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If I'm not turning up the FSB then whats the point of overclocking? I'm not 100% about wether or not the cpu ratio is adjustable, but I've read both: That Intel Multiplier is locked out. And that its locked out up to the PIII but that the P4's are not.
post #4 of 9
turning up the FSB = overclocking.

all those other settings he described are so you dont crash your system or not be able to post (boot up) because like that AGP/PCI frequency has to be locked or it will raise higher than 66/33 when you increase the FSB. if you dont increase the FSB you arent overclocking. you dont need to worry about the multiplier. throw that adjusting business out of your head. its useful in AMDs where you overclock the CPU more than the ram, just forget about it with your system. im not sure what your multiplier is but mine is 15 and my default FSB was 200. i raised my FSB to 250 so my ram is now no longer DDR400 it is DDR500 (times FSB by 2) and my CPU is no longer 3.0ghz (200X15) it is 3.75 (250X15)

Your ram and your CPU both use the FSB in a 1:1 ratio by default, if your ram cant handle that overclock, set your devider to 5:4 so your ram doesnt overclock as much as your CPU.
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According to the spreadsheet in the FAQ's my multiplier is set to 25. At 533fsb that would be 25*133= 3.325ghz!!! Holy crap! Isn't that too much? Maybe not, but I don't want to kill my system. Should I turn my multiplier down or will it be safe?
post #6 of 9
that cant be right, download CPU-z and it will tell you your multiplier on the first tab of information.
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I used sandra lite, but thats what it says.
post #8 of 9
your FSB looks to be 100, so 100x25=2500
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post #9 of 9
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At 533fsb that would be 25*133= 3.325ghz

WOULD! I haven't done it yet, I was just showing you the specs on the processor that I'm gonna use. Like I said, its coming out of an HP
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