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I have 2 in Raid 0. You can't notice any real world gains when comparing 1 SSD to 2 SSDs in Raid 0. A single SSD is already so fast that it does everything instantly.

So what the point? You are losing TRIM for no real world gains. Just get a single SSD. The larger the SSDs is, the faster it will be anyway.
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Thanks for that Murlocke =] Pretty much what I was looking for.

I've checked the vids on youtube of people demonstrating the load times for software and I cant see a difference between Raid SSD's loading itunes or a single SSD loading iTunes =S

You might notice the difference in loading highly detailed game worlds, etc. but apart from that I cant see the point... (no offence seeing as you have the raid =]). i just think the price vs gains isn't really that great - yet anyway.
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Just as a heads-up regarding the TRIM/RAID thing - this is not dependant on the drive manufacturers supporting TRIM in RAID. It is the current generation of RAID controllers that do not support TRIM, and cannot pass the commands through to the drives. It may be the case that such use of TRIM will never be supported in a RAID array, since it adds a lot of complexity on both sides (as drives decide where data goes due to wear-levelling etc, the controllers can't tell them which bits to 'TRIM', and as the RAID controller splits up the data between the disks the OS can't really tell the drives where to TRIM either). However, with new controllers such as the Micron supporting more advanced forms of garbage collection and other automatic cleanup options it may be that TRIM support in its current form is not required anyway.

It is also the case that, although RAIDed SSDs do bench higher than single disks, the real-world performance does not really change that much. The near-zero access time of a single SSD is what is important, not whether you get 200MB/s or 400MB/s sequential read speeds. The higher maximum speeds are not really an issue at all for OS-type use especially, so no real benefit is seen when you go from 1 disk to 2.

However I do still have to question the need for 99% of people to have a 250GB+ SSD though. You can get 90% of the performance and much more capacity for much less money with a smaller SSD backed up by a RAID0 HDD array. Since it is easy and cheap to build high sequential speed mechanical arrays it makes sense to only use SSD where it really shines - random use. With 3 good hard drives in RAID0 you can blow away SSDs for capacity and speed and still save money providing you use them properly - for sequential access (such as you measure when you run a straight HDTune benchmark). Many larger games will load similarly on a 2-3 disk RAID array as they will from an SSD, especially if you have the OS on a separate drive so the RAID can concentrate on getting the large, sequentially read texture files into system memory.
Edited by the_beast - 2/14/10 at 2:22am
post #14 of 59
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Theres no problem with that option, but I'm on a laptop and only have access to two HDD bays in the first place.

Is there a way I can use an SSD as the primary drive and a spindle drive as the secondary drive, just for storage, but when its not in use have the system automatically power it down, or switch it off entirely? It would be a waste of power, nuisance with noise and just something extra cooking in an allready oven-like laptop.. is it possible to alter the bios or something so as, if not in use, the spindle drive will power off automatically?
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post #15 of 59
I used to have a raid 0 with three vertex drives, and the difference between the first and second drive was very small (one or two seconds off in game load times, copying large files...), and I didn't really notice a difference between having two or three drives.

For day to day computing, your fine with one or two. Opening and closing programs and transferring smaller files with 600 MB/s isn't a big deal.
Edited by hoth17 - 2/14/10 at 4:26am
post #16 of 59
I say get one bigger drive
And if they ever sort the Raid controllers to use Trim. Then get another!

I have two 64GB SSDs, and have given up on raid for now
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post #17 of 59
i built my system based around running games as fast as possible

i went with more smaller drives on a PCIe raid controller. I get approx 3-4 times the (benchmarking) speed with 4 drives over 1

i haven't done any "seat of the pants" testing but i will say MW2 loads the biggest maps in seconds
post #18 of 59
Go with the biggest single SSD (w/ Trim) you need as it's plenty fast.
Edited by kstud - 2/14/10 at 11:50am
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Theres no problem with that option, but I'm on a laptop and only have access to two HDD bays in the first place.

Is there a way I can use an SSD as the primary drive and a spindle drive as the secondary drive, just for storage, but when its not in use have the system automatically power it down, or switch it off entirely? It would be a waste of power, nuisance with noise and just something extra cooking in an allready oven-like laptop.. is it possible to alter the bios or something so as, if not in use, the spindle drive will power off automatically?
You can do exactly this - or effectively this. Set the OS to power down your HDDs after 30mins-1hr or so (to stop them shutting down & powering up constanty when you are using the drive - this can be very bad for the disk). Now IIRC you can't set up these power settings on a per-drive basis. But this isnt an issue, since your SSD will be in constant use, and thus won't sleep anyway. And even if it does, it has no spindles to accelerate, and so goes from idle to fully operational in a few ms anyway.
post #20 of 59
Single SSD is good enough.
regular HDD -> raid 0 regular HDD -> Little gain
Regular HDD -> one SSD -> WHOA
one SSD -> Raid 0 SSDs -> oh.
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