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post #21 of 30
Hey, I thought I'd add my experience w/ Cellys. I have a friend who had a celleron cpu last year and he absolutly hated it. He bought a P4 to replace it and seemed to think there was a huge difference. (he has the old Intel socket... 468 or something like that)

I built my 12 year old brother a computer over the summer around a celly D 2.66Ghz. He likes his computer, and I've used it and have no qualms with it. It's got an Asus mobo w/ ATI express chipset (integrated graphics) 1 gb Corsair XMS, 6600GT, Sunbeam Nuuo, Lite On DVD drive, WD 80gig hd.
The main use of this computer is light-moderate gaming. My bro plays Age of Empires II and III. He also does some homework on it. The computer does all that just fine. I haven't tried any firs person shooters on it so I can't say anything about that... but for general gaming it's not too bad.
I have been trying to OC it and got it to 3.2Ghz w/o much problems but have been stuck there w/ the fsb at 160. I don't think the problem is the processor though, it's the chipset. I guess the ATI chipset isn't very good for overclocking.... or it could be partially due to me not really knowing much about overclocking Intel.
That said, the main areas where the cellys lag behind the P4's are the size of their cache and their fsb speed. celly d's have smaller caches and only 533Mhz fsb. which if your mobo doesn't support running the ram faster than the fsb it will underclock DDR400 or DDR2 RAM whichever your mobo uses.

In short, celly D's are a good processor for light-med gaming and general purpose. They are cheap which is their main strength. If you are building a gaming system I would suggest a P4 at a minumum. A64s generally perform much better for gaming so I would highly suggest you get a socket 939 A64 300+or 3200+ venice core.

A not too expensive gaming rig could have a 3000+ A64, NF4 ultra mobo, 6600GT (or 6800GS if money allows) 1gb RAM
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post #22 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeric
Agreed. My comments weren't directly in response to your post. I just wanted to make sure that Celeron bashing didn't get out of hand as they are a good value for the right system. They are definitely not intended as a power gaming CPU, but if the builder's budget is only $60-80 for a CPU, it'll probably do the trick. If they can afford more, there are numerous better choices on the market.
sure but the guy said his friend was looking for a cpu to play Quake 4, Doom3 and Half Life 2, so it was pretty logical to compare a Celery chip to a higher end CPU.
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post #23 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizvok
sure but the guy said his friend was looking for a cpu to play Quake 4, Doom3 and Half Life 2, so it was pretty logical to compare a Celery chip to a higher end CPU.
True enough, but he also said he didn't want to spend a lot of money. It would probably help if the original poster would post up a budget as this thread is rapidly getting out of hand.
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post #24 of 30
I dont think they are that bad my brothers is a 351 OCed to 4.0 ghz and it actually is pretty good. It outperforms quite a few P4s that you wouldnt expect it too. He plays halo all the time on the highest settings at 1280x1024 and averages 75 fps. id say thats good enough for a person with a budget.

Btw the Vid card is a sapphire x1600 pro
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post #25 of 30
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...-games2_3.html

Posting this so he can see how celerons perform in games. No reason to delete it.
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Links are always good and are definitely appreciated. Random comments like "this or that sucks" or "this or that is the greatest thing ever" tend to disappear unless they're supported. A little proof goes a long way.
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post #27 of 30
Actually alpha it's quite interesting what you've posted. Basically since games are so much gpu dependant a difference of almost $1000 in your processor selection only really makes 20 fps difference in games. Lol, Budget Pc's aren't looking so bad after all.
    
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post #28 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by radbirts
Erm... I had a 2.93 Celly D and it was fine. The gfx card matters a lot more than the cpu. As long as you've got a decent card, it should be fine. Maybe a 6600 or something.
That's not entirely true.
Some game engines are really CPU intensive, such as the Source engine that powers Half Life 2.
Also, a slow CPU can bottleneck a powerful video card.
I once had a P4 540 3.2GHz and it was bottlenecking my 7800GTX. I got my Pentium D 930 this morning and I get a much better performance in games.
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post #29 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3tard
Actually alpha it's quite interesting what you've posted. Basically since games are so much gpu dependant a difference of almost $1000 in your processor selection only really makes 20 fps difference in games. Lol, Budget Pc's aren't looking so bad after all.
well that can be debated, if you look at the benchies you'd see that they dont become cpu limited until around pentium 4 670 sempron 3400+ levels. however the celeron D 326 gets close to half the FPS of the fastest processors, 105 fps in contrast to ~200. I'm not saying Im anti budgets, just that the celeron D isn't the best choice for a gaming processor. The best choice on a budget would be the sempron, as you can see the semprons do rather well in games
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post #30 of 30
One needs to take into account the overclocked behavior of the chips as since we are overclockers the default test does not show the Celeron "D"'s real abilities.

I have taken Celeron "D" to 4GHz and with a good video card this is a fine chip. The main thing is that when one takes a Sempron 754 (256k Cache) and overclocks it to 2.6GHz and compares the gaming abilty of this against the Celeron "D" at 4GHz there is no doubt that the Sempron will take the Celeron out in most if not all tests. These are about the same price.

This has nothing to do with one piece of silicon being "sh|t" and another being "Righteous". It's about the best bang for the buck with what one person has. Someone who has a board capable of overclock on a Celeron "D" then why move? This system when matched up with a 6800GT @ Ultra/X800 pro @ XT PE will kick ass.

Now if I was putting together a budget gaming system I personally would go with the Sempron. It's all a matter of choice though.

Hey, we are all here to enjoy the overclock and have fun. Let's do it

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