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Damn... time is not passing by fast enough then!!!

It's really no one's fault but your own. After all, You chose to live right smack in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle!

Seriously, I've been all over the net and read through the press releases, tech updates on AMD's site - and there is just nothing concrete about a release date. I'm guessing that not even WikiLeaks knows!

I'll keep a'lookin and let you know what I find - if anything.

http://ontechnow.com/hardware/amd-confirms-bulldozer-delay-expected-in-60-90-days-from-now.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4481/details-on-amd-bulldozer-opterons-to-feature-configurable-tdp

Btw, you Kitty sure is beautiful. I'll PM you about mine later. Misha was (passed away 2 years ago) smarter than most humans and a whole lot more empathetic. So I know what you mean when you refer to your Kitty as your friend. thumb.gif
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Thanks for the guide! Right now, i'm just going to OC the cpu only (to 4Ghz) using just the multiplier 200x20 with voltage adjustments. I still need to use this guide correct? if so, is there any tweaks to this i need to make with just multiplier OC'ing! Appreciate all your help.
The guide is just basic bios settings to help while you OC. It would apply to either a "Full System OC"or a "Multiplier Only" OC. Really no need to alter anything with these settings. The way you're wanting to OC just a multiplier only is a real good way to start. The first of four area's (CPU, Mobo, NB Freq, RAM) all tested isolated from one another than added together at the end.

In case you haven't seen this http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ing-guide.html it's a good read on the how to's. If I can be of any help feel free to PM me.
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Ah ... May all your thoughts of me be reasonably clean ones!?

Good to be back. All my difficulties seem now to be in the past so I can continue to annoy you on OCN.

Headmixer, you know how much I respect your opinion and appreciate your advice. When you say:

Re the BD being a potentially buggy chip, I fully appreciate your hesitation. I still have the 1055 (new) and a 4-core AMD as well, so I am not looking at the C5F with the BD exclusively in mind.

Re your statement that you are NOT impressed with the C5F, may I know why? I could really use some good old Texas brute force honesty.
Thought it out all day.

got home and set down for an hour and wrote a very carfully worded reply, and no sooner did get to the OCN site, I got BSODed!!! lost it all.

Now I will have to rewrite the whole thing.

Edit: Nope, spent it all on the first write. Will have to try again tomorrow.
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Ah ... May all your thoughts of me be reasonably clean ones!?

Good to be back. All my difficulties seem now to be in the past so I can continue to annoy you on OCN.

Headmixer, you know how much I respect your opinion and appreciate your advice. When you say:

Re the BD being a potentially buggy chip, I fully appreciate your hesitation. I still have the 1055 (new) and a 4-core AMD as well, so I am not looking at the C5F with the BD exclusively in mind.

Re your statement that you are NOT impressed with the C5F, may I know why? I could really use some good old Texas brute force honesty.

I was on the C5F yesterday when I got BSODed. Was most likely the LAN. There is a new driver, But I don't have it yet.

I am going to try to rewrite the reply I lost yesterday, but it just won't have the same felling.

Well, It is most likely me. My expectations for the C5F were/are most likely to high.

This is my first "NEW RELEASE" board.

I felt/feel that moving up to the C5F would have been more gratifying.

After all, The C4F is a hard act to follow.

I hope that ASUS/AMD will improve some features and return some features they seem to have left out.

Like, "NO" NB,SB and VRM temperature monitors. "REALY?" What is this? "THE 80s".

A new/improved SATA chip would be nice. I have exactly the same setup, from Crucial M4s to operating sys as I do on my C4F. The C5F benches just a little over half the READ/WRITE speed of the C4F. I am deeply invested in SSDs and hope they can fix this.

The 990FX chipset is, for the most part, a rebranded 890FX with some VRM power management and some power saver features. Not unlike Nvidia did with the 780A to 980A for their AM3 upgrade.

The board is liken to a C4F with a new BIOS applied. (only not as good yet)

There has been one BIOS update (on ASUS site) and a new driver for the LAN that is not on the ASUS site yet.

OK, Now that I am done rakking the board over the coals. (unfair malicious ranting)

It is a nice board and seems to run the AM3 CPUs well.

It also seems to play well with most of the mainstream memory out there.

We realy need to get the 8 core FX CPUs on this board to see what it can realy do.

Can't realy say anything derogatory about the board right now. It is early in its life and I am sure that forthcoming BIOS and driver updates will ameliorate any infirmity the board may incompass.

You should have no "issues" navigating the BIOS as it very similar to a normal BIOS only "Pretty".

Do your homework, like I know you will.
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"NO" NB,SB and VRM temperature monitors. "REALY?" What is this? "THE 80s".
Whoa! Now that is a step back. Excuse my ignorance, which I must assure you is growing every day, but is this a BIOS update needed issue or a locked-in-and-cannot-be-fixed hardware and design problem?

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A new/improved SATA chip would be nice. I have exactly the same setup, from Crucial M4s to operating sys as I do on my C4F. The C5F benches just a little over half the READ/WRITE speed of the C4F. I am deeply invested in SSDs and hope they can fix this.
Absolutely, my (computer) life did not begin to be fun until I put OS/Programs on my Intel X25 80 Gig. SSD.

1) Are you saying that it's speed will be cut by the C5F?
2) And, if so, must I/We learn to live with that?

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OK, Now that I am done rakking the board over the coals. (unfair malicious ranting)
Please NEVER, EVER apologize for being yourself or giving an honest, well-thought-out opinion. The PC Movement is nothing but caca anyway.

What you did, so importantly, is reduce the number of variables by using virtually the same hardware, OS, etc. on both the C4F and your C5F. No fuzzy logic here! As much as I hate to, I gotta Up Your Rep!

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It is early in its life and I am sure that forthcoming BIOS and driver updates will ameliorate any infirmity the board may incompass.
Conclusion and Questions:

1) How many and which of these problems you described can/will be solved by BIOS updates?

2) I would still have purchased the CS5, because:

#1 The price difference between the C4F is nominal ($20.00);

#2 The C5F is the future (if BD ever comes);

#3 I have yet to get burned by ASUS - but then I didn't buy the Extreme (Home Da Clown here did do his homework on that one!)

#4 I have seen lots of board problems quickly solved by a BIOS upgrade.

Thanks for a very lucid evaluation of the C5S (and from a Texan! )
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Whoa! Now that is a step back. Excuse my ignorance, which I must assure you is growing every day, but is this a BIOS update needed issue or a locked-in-and-cannot-be-fixed hardware and design problem?



Absolutely, my (computer) life did not begin to be fun until I put OS/Programs on my Intel X25 80 Gig. SSD.

1) Are you saying that it's speed will be cut by the C5F?
2) And, if so, must I/We learn to live with that?



Please NEVER, EVER apologize for being yourself or giving an honest, well-thought-out opinion. The PC Movement is nothing but caca anyway.

What you did, so importantly, is reduce the number of variables by using virtually the same hardware, OS, etc. on both the C4F and your C5F. No fuzzy logic here! As much as I hate to, I gotta Up Your Rep!



Conclusion and Questions:

1) How many and which of these problems you described can/will be solved by BIOS updates?

2) I would still have purchased the CS5, because:

#1 The price difference between the C4F is nominal ($20.00);

#2 The C5F is the future (if BD ever comes);

#3 I have yet to get burned by ASUS - but then I didn't buy the Extreme (Home Da Clown here did do his homework on that one!)

#4 I have seen lots of board problems quickly solved by a BIOS upgrade.

Thanks for a very lucid evaluation of the C5S (and from a Texan! )
Yes, I feel that BIOS and driver updates will correct most of the "issuses" that I pointed out. Just got to give it some time. I'm sure the C4F was far from what it is today when it came out.

I have always used ASUS boards. late 94 to present.

No, I do not think it will effect the single SSD, the C5F is auto detect. I have 6 in a raid strip and the SATA chip does not ID the strip as an SSD SATAIII. The C4F has a manual setting in the BIOS, The C5F does not.
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Things to be said about Legacy hardware after you leave it. Both good and bad.

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But are you positive it's compatible with BD?
As I said - ages ago - on this thread, I'm sure (excuse me here) "brain-damaged" versions of BD will work on CH4. I wish I were so young again that I could be optimistic and say, "well, let's just wait and see."

Think from a mfr.'s point of view if you will. What incentive do AMD and ASUS et. al. have for making old (euphemistically called "legacy") technology work with the new?

Think about it for a while. It will surely come to you. Assuming the CH5 not to be a complete and utter DOG like the Gigabyte UD5 (did I say that?), the CH5 is only $20.00 more expensive than the CH4.

As we say in math, Q.E.D.
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As I said - ages ago - on this thread, I'm sure (excuse me here) "brain-damaged" versions of BD will work on CH4. I wish I were so young again that I could be optimistic and say, "well, let's just wait and see."

Think from a mfr.'s point of view if you will. What incentive do AMD and ASUS et. al. have for making old (euphemistically called "legacy") technology work with the new?

Think about it for a while. It will surely come to you. Assuming the CH5 not to be a complete and utter DOG like the Gigabyte UD5 (did I say that?), the CH5 is only $20.00 more expensive than the CH4.

As we say in math, Q.E.D.
Agreed on all counts. Except if you're already on board with CIVF and have spent the money and an ASUS Rep says it will work with a BIOS upgrade then why would you try to sell your board(reasonable scenario for used boards) and take a loss if you can run BD without issue? I wouldn't and I have no qualms or allusions regarding selling stuff.

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if you're already on board with CIVF and have spent the money and an ASUS Rep says it will work with a BIOS upgrade
Totally right! For what it's worth, I have done the BIOS upgrades to accommodate newer and faster CPU's (i.e. 4-core to 6-core). If one already has the C4F, then cool; don't sell it BUT also don't buy the first iteration of BD that comes down the pike - If it doesn't meet your needs.

And I am the absolute last one to talk. Because of OCN and my own innate mental illness (technology related), I am NEVER satisfied with what I have now. Upgrade Fever they call it.

What it all boils down to is NEED. What do you NEED your computer for? The answer to that question will answer all future questions regarding upgrading your rig as well.

Except for the X-Factor: the UF Syndrome.

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I try (usually fail miserably) to follow the advice I so freely dish out. Case in point: With my bad experience with Gigabyte, I had to replace a board in my #2 computer. So I decided on the C5F and I'm putting in a crappy old 1055 6-core AMD (which I had) - For the time being.

Either buy the C5F and plan for the future (baddest-ass BD on the planet) or buy another C4F and then put in a crappola BD later on.

Logic, Mr. Watson, Logic.
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