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What, may I ask, is this infatuation with RAID? Is everyone trying to re-enact the Life and Times of Sisyphus or it part of being a member in some kind of club for the masochist?

And please don't tell me it's "just in case one of the hard drives fails so we will have backup". That will be my much needed laugh for the day as a reason.
Actually RAID almost doubles the speed of a conventional HDD, because all the information is stored in stripes split into how many ever bits to fit on more than one HDD. The smaller the stripe the faster the array. It's much faster than a standard HDD. RAID really is only important in seek and load times. Write times will essentially be the same, maybe a little slower. But I'm not sure of the write speeds when split between more than one drive.

Oh and RAID0 doesn't back anything up. It's like having a std conventional HDD without the ability to backup your data. If my RAID were to go down I would have to figure out which HDD is bad replace it and start over.

But if I were to use a HDD with the same capacity as my RAID, I could store the information as +1 and then my data would be backed up. Not sure if just plugging it in would induce the RAID to autosave to the new HDD, but I wouldn't care because I could do it myself if I had to.

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Just in case you young ones...

In Greek Mythology Sisyphus was a king punished by being compelled to roll an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll back down, and to repeat this throughout eternity.

Now I wonder is the phrase "Dung rolls down hill" has anything to do with this King!


(Yeahhhh... Yeahhh... Yeahhh... I Googled it.)
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Just in case you young ones...

In Greek Mythology Sisyphus was a king punished by being compelled to roll an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll back down, and to repeat this throughout eternity.

Now I wonder is the phrase "Dung rolls down hill" has anything to do with this King!


(Yeahhhh... Yeahhh... Yeahhh... I Googled it.)
An here I thought you were some sort of Greek Mythology scholar.

I do believe the Brits used that form of punishment in Prisons during the Victorian era. Not sure if they still use it today since my only knowledge of this comes from books like "The Great Train Robbery" etc.

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Oh and RAID0 doesn't back anything up.
Yeh, I did know this. I did not know that the speed increase was that much of an advantage. All I know, from lots of reading about but no experience with, is that RAID has a reputation for being about as rewarding as "Pushing $hit Uphill". (A Special Thanks and a Shout Out to Kahbrohn for enlightening the masses. )

My question remains: Why oh why does anyone who plays games or is a home user (and not setting up servers for Amazon.com) need a headache like RAID?

And thanks as always to Ceadderman for taking me seriously and realizing that I am not trying to create turmoil (well, not at the moment anyway ) but rather just fishing for information myself and in the process making people think and not just play "follow the leader".
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I personally went with RAID 0 to decrease my bootup time as well as my disk access times. RAID 0 is like a poor mans solution to not being able to buy 10,000/15,000 RPM HDD's or SSD's right now. I benchmarked my HDD's before and after installing RAID0 and in all honesty, I nearly doubled my HDD speed's.
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An here I thought you were some sort of Greek Mythology scholar.
I was until I discovered that reading Marvel and DC comics was easier and more entertaining!

Green Lantern > Apollo!
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I benchmarked my HDD's before and after installing RAID0 and in all honesty, I nearly doubled my HDD speed's.
Thanks Kahbrohn, Ceadderman, et. al. You guys humble me with what you know. I took the easy way out on bootup (more money than brains - and I'm close to flat broke so you can draw your own conclusion there) and bought 2 Intel X25M 80 GB SSD's, 1 for each of 2 of my computers. Kick @ss speed increase that is almost better, I said almost better than, SAX (intentional mis-spelling, sorry).

Don't see though, lest some be using that New Math from offshore, how RAID 0 of 2 WD Blacks can save money over an SSD?
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I used the WD Black 640Gb's so it came out pretty cheap since the mobo supports RAID.

In RAID 0 that's the same as a single 1.28Gb HDD (if they made one). In RAID 0 what the system does is you have a 100Kb file - 50Kb's will be stored on one drive and the other 50Kb's on the other drive within the RAID "array". Sounds a bit awkward but that's how it increases the speed. The HDD's are always have a max speed of 7200RPM no matter what. The drawback of RAID 0 is that if one disk goes bad, you loose it all unless you have a backup disk in there and do frequent backups... which I do. I backup to a WD Green 1.5 disk that I had laying around. Now... WD Green drives are not a good choice for RAID 0. I believe its because they have a power saving mode or something that negates the benefit of a RAID 0 setup.
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Thanks Kahbrohn, Ceadderman, et. al. You guys humble me with what you know. I took the easy way out on bootup (more money than brains - and I'm close to flat broke so you can draw your own conclusion there) and bought 2 Intel X25M 80 GB SSD's, 1 for each of 2 of my computers. Kick @ss speed increase that is almost better, I said almost better than, SAX (intentional mis-spelling, sorry).

Don't see though, lest some be using that New Math from offshore, how RAID 0 of 2 WD Blacks can save money over an SSD?
I spent $150 for 2 Hitachi 1TB HDD. Would have been less but ZipZoomFly never paid off on the Rebate of the 1st one. Bought the second one on sale at the Egg, for ~$50. And while they aren't faster than SSD they're still blazing fast tied together and were much cheaper than any size SSD when you stop to account for the Gigabyte to Dollar ratio. I would love to have an SSD for my OS but even then I really don't need SSD because I don't do anything that warrants having it. I'll get one when the prices come down to a more responsible level. Right now $2 a GB is not responsible for me. Not when my Drives give me a monumentally better return on the investment.

The reason I use RAID is to lower the Boot and Seek times for my OS and my applications. It's so much nicer not having much if any stutter when I'm gaming. When I have it I know that it's my Folding that is causing it and I alt+tab out of the game long enough to Pause the Fold and keep going. Yes it lowers my PPD but not enough to warrant pausing the client every time I wish to do some gaming.

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Everything I know about RAID I learned from the Ceadderman RAID Institute... so I blame him if I left anything out!!!
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