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Originally Posted by davidm71 View Post

This is an email I received from Raja @ Asus:
Raja@ASUS ASUS Community Support, 1.2 Years

Status:
Re: My CrossHair IV Formula was never stable and getting worse..
Anything pre-Bulldozer is all over the place in terms of the memory controller. Some fo the CPUs are very flaky with 16GB installed. I managed to get some intel spec'd kits stable by setting the following:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...untry=&status=
this is also a good resource for info:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...untry=&status=
-Raja
Consider yourself informed!

Raja didnt say it was the motherboard fault, he blamed the CPU.
David should read it better. 1 and a half year after he still didnt understand the e-mail.
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I don't take to much notice of what Raja says I've had 5 different 16gig memory kits working in a Crosshair IV board with a 1090T and then an 1100T both worked fine, Gary the guy that used to do the support was pretty good but he had to stop for family reasons and it wasn't the same afterwards.
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I don't take to much notice of what Raja says I've had 5 different 16gig memory kits working in a Crosshair IV board with a 1090T and then an 1100T both worked fine, Gary the guy that used to do the support was pretty good but he had to stop for family reasons and it wasn't the same afterwards.

Well out of three sets of ram only 1 works stable. Its my opinion that the bios is a POS on the CHIV Formula. Though personal experiences aside Raja's statement is all I needed to validate what I felt for a while. After all doesn't he represent Asus so why wouldn't you take notice?
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i recently had 3 machines running 16 gigs of memory with 1100t,s on asus boards and had NO stability problems at all and i still have one in house and one elswhere i have no problem i dont think the outher one has either so im not buying the pre bulldozer crap
Edited by bo40 - 6/15/12 at 10:47pm
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I don't take to much notice of what Raja says I've had 5 different 16gig memory kits working in a Crosshair IV board with a 1090T and then an 1100T both worked fine, Gary the guy that used to do the support was pretty good but he had to stop for family reasons and it wasn't the same afterwards.

Its my opinion that the bios is a POS on the CHIV Formula.... After all doesn't he represent Asus so why wouldn't you take notice?

What BIOS are you using? Are there any more to change to or are you topped out. Not that it matters much...

Cause maybe it's other hardware that is at fault and not playing well with the BIOS?

In any case, try calling ASUS and seeing if they can put together a custom BIOS for you assuming your RAM is not on QVL. Never had a problem with an ASUS board that I couldn't get ASUS to fix. So why would I listen to someone who is not associated with ASUS?

For all I know they have a thimbleful of knowledge regarding this issue, screwed something up and then ignorantly bad mouth the Memory Controller on ROG boards.

There isn't one by the way. It's called an IMC for a reason. The AMD CPU does all the work that the Intel relies on a seperate chip to do. That's how Intel can fit Virtual Controller on their CPU and how AMD doesn't. I know I'm probably relating this wrong but the point is if there is an issue with instability due to the IMC then it's a CPU issue that an RMA should be submitted for. Or you unknowingly borked your BIOS. I would check thru here for information regarding your BIOS to see if it's just you or if there are more people having issues with the one BIOS. I know ASUS well enough to know they don't sit on their hands if there is an issue with a BIOS that is borked from the get go. thumb.gif
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This is an email I received from Raja @ Asus:
Raja@ASUS ASUS Community Support, 1.2 Years

Status:
Re: My CrossHair IV Formula was never stable and getting worse..
Anything pre-Bulldozer is all over the place in terms of the memory controller. Some fo the CPUs are very flaky with 16GB installed. I managed to get some intel spec'd kits stable by setting the following:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...untry=&status=
this is also a good resource for info:
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread...untry=&status=
-Raja
Consider yourself informed!

Raja didnt say it was the motherboard fault, he blamed the CPU.
David should read it better. 1 and a half year after he still didnt understand the e-mail.

This should be stickied in OP methinks. thumbsupsmiley.png

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Edited by Ceadderman - 6/16/12 at 2:27am
 
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What BIOS are you using? Are there any more to change to or are you topped out. Not that it matters much...
Cause maybe it's other hardware that is at fault and not playing well with the BIOS?
In any case, try calling ASUS and seeing if they can put together a custom BIOS for you assuming your RAM is not on QVL. Never had a problem with an ASUS board that I couldn't get ASUS to fix. So why would I listen to someone who is not associated with ASUS?
For all I know they have a thimbleful of knowledge regarding this issue, screwed something up and then ignorantly bad mouth the Memory Controller on ROG boards.
There isn't one by the way. It's called an IMC for a reason. The AMD CPU does all the work that the Intel relies on a seperate chip to do. That's how Intel can fit Virtual Controller on their CPU and how AMD doesn't. I know I'm probably relating this wrong but the point is if there is an issue with instability due to the IMC then it's a CPU issue that an RMA should be submitted for. Or you unknowingly borked your BIOS. I would check thru here for information regarding your BIOS to see if it's just you or if there are more people having issues with the one BIOS. I know ASUS well enough to know they don't sit on their hands if there is an issue with a BIOS that is borked from the get go. thumb.gif

This should be stickied in OP methinks. thumbsupsmiley.png
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I agree with you.
I read through this thread before buying my motherboard, nothing indicated me to possibly have a RAM problem.
All I was indicated was to stay away from Intel memory cause it might give problems, I ignored such advice cause in all the time I worked on computers my experience taught me that memory is memory.
Bought Gskill RipjawsX, 1.5v memory, its indicated to work on Intel and never gave me a problem on me and I even overclocked it.

If I ever had a problem with a motherboard/cpu/memory that I couldnt fix I would search all over overclock.net to solve it and RMA it.
Buying more and more ram kits and blaming the motherboard wont fix anythig.
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Yup. My Snipers took a bit to figure out why the system wasn't POSTING properly but once I figured out that I had to initially go in and Manually OC the board in the BIOS I was good to go. System POSTED right up and it runs 16Gigs without issue. I'm currently running GSkill Ripjaws. Though I did remove 2 sticks for Overclocking.

I think part of what dude isn't relating properly is pre AM3+ boards aren't always stable when Overclocked at 16Gigs. But that's boards of all manufacture that suffers from this. Not just ROG boards. Crosshair IV runs 16Gigs max. The issue is not the capacity, nor the ability, but is the longer the lanes from CPU to slot 4. Even Intel was having a problem with this which was why they went to putting the Socket in the middle of the spread. The shorter the lane the better the stability. This is why it's often recommended to just use two sticks of RAM and forgo the other two.

If dude can't handle 8Gigs of RAM on a Windows system that uses about 3-4Gigs then I would suggest getting 8Gig sticks and run them in 1 and 3. It should keep his system stable as well as give him the 16Gigs that he wants. GSkill has 8Gig sticks right now and the prices are good enough to make the plunge.

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

I think this is what his problem is. If so I don't see why bad mouth the board. It's not the board's fault it's a common issue with all boards as far as I am aware of. smile.gif

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I completely blame the CPU Mem controller over the motherboard and the bios second. Right now I have all four banks filled with 2gb cas 8 Crucial 1600mhz modules and it seems stable. Before it wasn't stable with Gskill Snipers with 2 x 4gb 1866 modules @1600 or 1333mhz. It would have trouble posting or give me random blue screens in Windows. Same behavior with Corsair Vengeance 1600mhz cas 7 4gb modules at either 2x4 or 4x4 configuration. So I put the old Crucial ram in there and with all four banks in there it seems stable like it use to be. This all leads me to think that the CPU's memory controller is picky and that it doesn't like 4gb modules. Furthermore also leads me to think that Asus bios engineers didn't do a lot of QA testing vetting the ram out there and programing the bios to set lax settings to ensure posting because even the mem-ok button didn't do jack to help!

I wish I could tell you guys which version of bios I was using. I can't remember as I slowly upgraded every 6 mos to a newer bios release and didn't keep logs. I don't expect every machine I build to be a winner. I just call it like I see it and that one just didn't perform well compared to other machines I own (except for this 680i board I had a while back and that took a year of waiting for a bios fix to come out before it behaved). But it just wasnt the memory giving me grief. I couldn't even run my three 6970's in crossfire without it hard locking all the time with a 1200 Corsair AX1200 Gold PSU. Those cards now are in an X58 rig and don't ever crash (just wish AMD would release good drivers). The 1200 watt PSU is in another rig running two 480GTXs and a number of hard drives and other peripherals without issues. And trust me I removed every extra piece of hardware to see what could have been the missing link and was using motherboard sound even and my best guess was that it was the motherboard.

Right now all that board is qualified to do is run a spreadsheet. Next year when I can afford an X79 to replace it I'm going to put bullet holes in it and ship the board back to its maker!

Sorry.. mad.gif

Side note: Unlike the X58 which I have overclocked 1.2ghz over stock I never really overclocked the AMD 1090T. Also Raja is a representative of Asus so I take what he has to say seriously.
Edited by davidm71 - 6/17/12 at 6:22am
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The 1090T and 1100T that I had in the Crosshair IV both ran @ 4.2ghz with the CPU/NB @ 3000Ghz and 16gig of ram (1600Mhz, 1866Mhz, 2000Mhz and 21333Mhz kits) with no problems whatsoever on all BIOS's including the latest Bulldozer BIOS. The fact that Raja works for Asus doesn't make him God and what he says is not engraved in stone, I've been programming, repairing and modding PC's since 1984 but that doesn't qualify me to make sweeping statements about the memory controllers in AMD chips.
Edited by Mistral - 6/17/12 at 2:11pm
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