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The CH4F had the AMD 890FX chip set that supported CrossFire only

Third party software was developed for SLI

 

The CH4E had the AMD 890FX and Hydra Logix Chipset to support CrossFire and SLI

 

AMD added SLI support to the AMD 990FX chip set

 

The CH5F with the AMD 990FX chip set will support CrossFire or SLI

 

ASUS can't update the BIOS in the CH4E without updating Hydra Logix Chipset

 

Lucid Hydra Logix no longer provides supports for their chip


Edited by Tweeky - 12/16/12 at 8:05am
    
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thats the best water cooler i have every seen supercoolin
good job!thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

This is not true either. There will always be a demand for a high end AMD board so long as AMD is producing a Quad Core or better CPU. Crosshair V just combined the best of both Formula and Extreme so it made little sense to produce a board that upped the ante. Especially when everything available is already in use. Dont forget that ASUS, ASRock and MSi are all producing high end AMD boards. Gigabyte isn't far behind producing high end AMD boards.
The problem here isn't that nobody wants to produce a high end board for AMD. The problem was that they had their boards ready for market 6 months before Bulldozer launched. They may slow their production runs in order to prevent having platform with no CPU supported, but ASUS isn't going to halt the RoG platform where AMD is concerned. It just made no sense to combine both on the Crosshair V run and then provide an Extreme platform when it already exists on Crosshair V Formula. Although they do have two options for Crosshair V, but that's with and without their RoG soundcard. That's the extent of an Extreme option for the AMD platform. thumb.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif


Not to argue, but until they offer a AMD mobo with a quad x16 PCIe bus, you can't call it high end. Right now even finding a real x16,x8,x8,x8 "quad" mobo is down to Gigabyte. That is not a high end motherboard, it is middle of the road.

There is not a single 990FX motherboard that will run two x16 video cards and a x8 raid card, even the GA-990FX-UD7, which claims to be a quad board, only has 42 PCIe lanes and 3 of them are dedicated to the PCIe x1 slots and the one PCI slot, two x16 video cards actaully leave you 7 active lanes, to get quad out of any AMD board forces X8,X8,X8,X8, not very high end.

The CHIVE has 68 active lanes with the Lucid Chip
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RoG is high end. I get that some people like Quad SLi, but let's face it if you have the money for Quad SLi youre more likely to have Intel which is Quad SLi capable on most of the high end boards. I have dual 6870 so on my board having TriFire capability IS high end. Not too many AMD boards had or have Quad PCI-e slots. That don't make them less than high end. Crossfire is still limit in some aspects up to 4 GB unless you have the UEFI system. I can still run QuadFire so long as I have dual 7*** GPU cards. Since I don't TriFire is the best I can do. thumb.gif

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Ceadderman, and friends,

im going to stick with asus and just move to the CH5 Z board i dont want there sound card,i have a few other stuff with the z board im sure havent looked yet.
this way i can keep my 8350 and when it comes out steamroller.
im running now my 1000T with my ch4 extreme, it's running very very good, i keep it at 4050 or 4150 mhz most of the time. im freon cooled all the time.
-40c or more.
i just use 1 video card, is the z board the best without the sound card for the 8350 or steamroller?

i almost got the highest end Asrock 890 chipset version but wasnt sure, i keep to asus.


Supercoolin, i under stand what you're saying, my bios is good enough with me the 2002s
im sure right when i get the Z board CH5 Extreme or something better will hit

merry christmas
all the CH people

You can still run FX chips on Crosshair IV but if you already have the CVF-z I don't see the need to go backwards with CIVF. The only real difference between the two for usage is that you cannot use the Power Saver functions on CIVF motherboards where you can with CVF. I wish that CIVF had the UEFI setup. Hopefully when I am ready to move out of CIVF, ASUS and AMD will have something more for me. If not I'll be going with Intel. But it looks like the next Intel will require a new socket so it looks to be a little ways off. smile.gif

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pcie 2.0 on ch4e 890 boards, pcie3.0 on 990 boards will the 3.0 be faster if using pcie ssd drives like revo3 ssds ?
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pcie 2.0 on ch4e 890 boards, pcie3.0 on 990 boards will the 3.0 be faster if using pcie ssd drives like revo3 ssds ?

PCIE 3.0 isn't on my CHVZ, actually from what I've read AMD isn't due for 3.0 till the 10xx chipset.
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Can someone please confirm this: some of you say that one can't use "power saver" functions with CHIV and 8350. Does this mean that "cool n quiet" isn't functional? That 8350 would always run at its highest speeds, never lowering its clocks and voltages?
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PCIE 3.0 isn't on my CHVZ, actually from what I've read AMD isn't due for 3.0 till the 10xx chipset.


thanks
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PCIE 3.0 isn't on my CHVZ, actually from what I've read AMD isn't due for 3.0 till the 10xx chipset.

hows your CH5Z board running compaired to CH4E, everything really good or do you have complaints?
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Can someone please confirm this: some of you say that one can't use "power saver" functions with CHIV and 8350. Does this mean that "cool n quiet" isn't functional? That 8350 would always run at its highest speeds, never lowering its clocks and voltages?

Correct, with the CH4E and the FX-8350, none of the "green functions" such as cool and quiet work correctly. The CPU stays at the same frequency and voltage, the power consumption is driven by the usage. During idle states, you will use 25-30 watts more energy because they don't work, so if you run you system 24/7, you pay 12 cents a KWH, then it will cost you about $2.25 a month extra
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Hi,
I'm using the Crosshair Formula IV and on bios 2101. Was about to flash to 3029 but we're on the same page here on thinking that the NEC firmware for the USB 3 port may have issues. I was just looking through MMTool for the device id of the usb3 chipset but couldn't find it. If you could walk me through the process I would appreciate it. I have another thread on the Asus ROG support forums and they want me to upgrade to 3029 with in windows! Talk about taking a risk!
I will never flash with in Windows. No way!
Anyhow about which port causes the problem I would say 3 or 4 times usb 3.0 port but not exclusively. Makes me cringe every time I plug in a device though!
I swear this is the most trouble jinxed board I've ever owned next to my Abit IN9-32X board. Why is it though you have fond memories of the trouble makers?!
Thanks.
Edit: My USB3.0 controller is this: NEC uPD720200F1 USB 3.0 Host Controller. That station-driver link has similar sounding firmwares minus the F1 suffix. Still good enough?
Edit: I get it. The firmware gets updated though an updater utility. Ok,

You should have a program under Renesas electronics that will tell you your current firmware / hardware / driver information called USB 3.0 Host Controller Utility.
I recomend writing any info it provides down.

Personally I would go for it. The updater utility is nicely made and by the manufacturer of the chip.
It wont work if you pick the wrong one (I Tried). As far as I can tell the NEC uPD720200F1 is simply the same chip manufactured by NEC.
You can also look up uPD720200F1 on their website and they classify it under the first generation uPD720200 chip. (You can buy the chips directly from them)
I used Firmware Version 3.0.3.4 pour uPD720200 (Windows 32 & 64bits)
Just unplug all usb stuff except your mouse and keyboard and put them on a 2.0 port.

If you are curious, the uPD720200a is the second generation chip. You don't have it so disregard this firmware (the diffrence between the 2 chips is that the second generation uses 1/5th the amount of power when not in use / good for laptops.)

I have updated for every release of new firmware and it shows better improvement in stability every release.
I also stepped eagleone through it and hes running solid as a rock now.

But be warned that your millage may vary. It's a diffrent board than what we are using. If you run into an emergency situation disable the 3.0 controller in the bios and google google google.
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