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Trial and error is fairly scientific how would anyone know which settings work without the trial and error?
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I fully understand that. And I am not contending that point at all. (Provided that it is done properly, i.e. by changing only one variable at a time and keeping all else as constants.)

However, when success is achieved, why are the "successful" or working settings per GHz. not filed away in a library, such that other hapless newbies such as myself are not reinventing the wheel?

If my statement of what should be obvious is not clear to all, I will gladly rephrase. And I am not being


Edited by incurablegeek - 11/14/10 at 11:02am
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if we all went by the book life would be too boreing besides we can all find that little tweak that isnt listed in the books keep up the excellent work all
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Trial and error is fairly scientific how would anyone know which settings work without the trial and error?
could you please tell a dummy like me how to add the specs of my new rig to my profile
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It's not really trial and error, well at least not after a few settings to start with. What I do is look at the "patterns" you mention to see correlations from one setting to the next. What this does, is present pointers to what "may" be working from what is pretty obviously not working. Within these major correlations, I then derive a working hypothesis for the next level of settings, and make these small moves. Once made, I then start the process over at the current level, adjusting for positive indicators, and negative ones.

Or, in other words I just bump up or down a bit some things, until it seems to be better then it was.

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I'm kind of a "math and logic only" boring person, in that I look for patterns from which I extrapolate templates. From my reading on this forum I gather that everyone is overclocking by trial and error. There is no logical or scientific method to all this madness.

Why, then, is there not a library of templates for each level of overclocking, e.g. 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, .... 4.2? Complete with voltage, etc. settings for each level of overclocking?

Please understand that I am not trying to be a Smart @$$ but would really appreciate understanding why you guys seem to be taking such a haphazard approach. That's why I made the suggestion that each successful overclocker save his BIOS settings. Just to create such a library of successful templates or formulas.

Now, please feel free to me.
I am working on exactly just that, 4GHz Info thread in my signature provides a link. I am fairly confident you will like my work. I have about a 2 page essay on diagnosing Prime95 errors alone in your overclock to see if you are on the right path or not when increasing voltages which I should upload or post into the thread. Also CPU-NB vs. DRAM voltage and how to tell/test which one is causing your blends and memtest BSODs.

I have been somewhat distracted by... Call of Duty... but I am doing the same for 3.00 up by 125 MHz each time all the way up to 4.5GHz suicides.

It takes a lot of time, and to be honest, I don't work on it everyday. I do this while I work on Goldbach's Conjecture and Number Theory mathematics. I am living proof that intelligence doesn't always translate into a 4.0 GPA student. That would be a disciplined student, and despite a rash leap in the military, I am still al00f as always Too bad there is no work for a guy like me
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could you please tell a dummy like me how to add the specs of my new rig to my profile
I'm not presuming you to be a "dummy", because I don't know you. Only you can draw that conclusion.

What I do know is:

1) The BIOS settings can be saved. (Please refer to your ASUS manual.)
2) RagingCain
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Let me know if you want my 4.2GHz stable settings
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It's not really trial and error, well at least not after a few settings to start with. What I do is look at the "patterns" you mention to see correlations from one setting to the next. What this does, is present pointers to what "may" be working from what is pretty obviously not working. Within these major correlations, I then derive a working hypothesis for the next level of settings, and make these small moves. Once made, I then start the process over at the current level, adjusting for positive indicators, and negative ones.

Or, in other words I just bump up or down a bit some things, until it seems to be better then it was.
OMG Thank You. Not really trial and error = controlled scientific approach. A bit less boring than senseless repetition of what has gone before, ala Sisyphus.

When a group of settings "works", it should be stored. Then move on to another set, store it and so on down the line. (Sorry but it's hard to forget or forgo those years using the experimental method.)

Sure hope that helps to clarify.
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RagingCain, this is one heck of a contribution. Kind of parallels MagicMan's lengthy and well-thought out manual.

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I am working on exactly just that, 4GHz Info thread in my signature provides a link. I am fairly confident you will like my work. I have about a 2 page essay on diagnosing Prime95 errors alone in your overclock to see if you are on the right path or not when increasing voltages which I should upload or post into the thread. Also CPU-NB vs. DRAM voltage and how to tell/test which one is causing your blends and memtest BSODs.

I have been somewhat distracted by... Call of Duty... but I am doing the same for 3.00 up by 125 MHz each time all the way up to 4.5GHz suicides.
"Call of Duty" For what it's worth I don't play video games at all. And you will never guess why. Because I am so afraid that I will start playing them and never stop to do any work. So guys, when I say that I don't play video games, I hope you will now understand why. For me, it's kinda like why I don't do drugs. Sorry 'bout that analogy.
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I'm kind of a "math and logic only" boring person, in that I look for patterns from which I extrapolate templates. From my reading on this forum I gather that everyone is overclocking by trial and error. There is no logical or scientific method to all this madness.

Why, then, is there not a library of templates for each level of overclocking, e.g. 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, .... 4.2? Complete with voltage, etc. settings for each level of overclocking?

Please understand that I am not trying to be a Smart @$$ but would really appreciate understanding why you guys seem to be taking such a haphazard approach. That's why I made the suggestion that each successful overclocker save his BIOS settings. Just to create such a library of successful templates or formulas.

Now, please feel free to me.
It usually takes me a few weeks to learn the rough numbers that i need for different speeds. And the only way to actually find what I need for the different speeds is to try them. You must remember that every chip is different. For instance most people tell me that my voltage is too high for 4 Ghz (1.468v) they say that I should only need 1.42v well they are wrong for twso reasons one they are using the 125w 1055t and 2 my chip wont even post @ 4Ghz with only 1.42v. So as you can see my chip is way off from the norm. That being said I have not seen anyone running 3.2Ghz on the CPU-NB so it may not be a bad thing that my chip needs more voltage ti is just a high leakage chip. Good thing I have great cooling.

All that being said, If you were to give me a speed below 4Ghz I could give you a number that would be very close for the voltage for my chip.
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And the only way to actually find what I need for the different speeds is to try them. You must remember that every chip is different.
That is very true. And I really, truly do appreciate the sheer difficulty of what you guys are doing. Truth be told, it is beyond my "now skill set".
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