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JF-AMD has now said that BD will NOT work in an AM3 slot
So my theory as to why you do not see any more of the crosshair boards is that they have pulled them and are switching sockets.

Now weather or not we could just remove that block and drop BD in may be another story...


Quote from JF-AMD (AMD rep)

AM3 boards support only AM3 processors
AM3+ boards support AM3 processors and AM3+ processors

There is no bios upgrade or other magic pixie dust that will change this.

To do bulldozer in AM3 sockets would have compromised the possible performance on the processor and I am pretty sure that none of you wanted that.
Edited by eclipseaudio4 - 3/20/11 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by headmixer View Post
I just pulled the white plastic off the AM3 socket and there are gold plated connectors behind all the block-outs.

I did not mean that anyone should do this, just that it could be done. (Yes, Hack)

So, If Gigabyte did not need to unblock that pin location on the AM3+ socket, Why did they do so.

Hopefully, they will work on AM3 as implied by ASUS.

I am going to buy a new mobo as soon as they are released, hopefully a Crosshair V Formula if ASUS releases one.
They did so because they didn't want to send hackware out to their customers. They'd get them ALL back with a lot of cheezed off letters.

Thing is, that ASUS isn't expecting anybody to cut into their sockets. It's advisable not to do this because it immediately voids the warranty.

Asus said that it Bulldozer would work with nothing more than a BIOS change. I have the link still if someone wants me to post it to the Event Asus page.

Cause I seriously doubt that it requires a socket change for anything AM3+ unless one wanted ALL the features, which I take the lost features to be the little things that OC'ers could care less about such as the CnQ feature. Tweeky would be able to answer this better than I can since he has 3012 on his board.

Hey eclipse, JMD only stated that was AMD's stance. He doesn't know the pin config or know if they will fit on an AM3 board since he's in Server and not in Desktop.

I surmise that the extra pin in the AM3+ is for future versions of the Zambezi proc.

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Edited by Ceadderman - 3/20/11 at 2:55pm
 
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AM3 to AM3+

http://hothardware.com/News/Mud-In-T...M3-Compatible/

Don’t worry, for $19.95 + SH, we will make your AM3 socket 100% pin compatible with AM3+ CPU, be happy ?
Thanks for the pics Tweeky

I was working on some pics, these are better than what I had.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
They did so because they didn't want to send hackware out to their customers. They'd get them ALL back with a lot of cheezed off letters.

Thing is, that ASUS isn't expecting anybody to cut into their sockets. It's advisable not to do this because it immediately voids the warranty.

Asus said that it Bulldozer would work with nothing more than a BIOS change. I have the link still if someone wants me to post it to the Event Asus page.

Cause I seriously doubt that it requires a socket change for anything AM3+ unless one wanted ALL the features, which I take the lost features to be the little things that OC'ers could care less about such as the CnQ feature. Tweeky would be able to answer this better than I can since he has 3012 on his board.

Hey eclipse, JMD only stated that was AMD's stance. He doesn't know the pin config or know if they will fit on an AM3 board since he's in Server and not in Desktop.

I surmise that the extra pin in the AM3+ is for future versions of the Zambezi proc.

~Ceadder
Actually Asus never said "Bulldozer" would work. Check that page very carefully because "Bulldozer" is never mentioned.
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Originally Posted by eclipseaudio4 View Post
Actually Asus never said "Bulldozer" would work. Check that page very carefully because "Bulldozer" is never mentioned.
As taken from Asus own advertisement...

" Current ASUS 890FX and 890GX series motherboards can be upgraded to enjoy the extra performance offered by future AM3+ CPUs."

Now unless there is another Phenom II waiting in the wings that we don't know about and AMD hasn't mapped out(extremely doubtful) this can only mean that it's another Thuban(doubtful) or Bulldozer. Asus isn't SAYING Bulldozer but that's probably due to their Non Disclosure agreement which they've carefully skirted round with their BIOS implication.

CPU magazine(roughly March of 2010) even pointed to there being two iterations of Bulldozer.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy with my board(other than having to RMA it after doing the NB fix) but if this speculation plays out as I expect it will, this is GREAT news as I wouldn't have to upgrade anything but my BIOS in order to run it.

What's funny is that un-nefer and a couple others (thread got locked) were adamant that it isn't going to work out this way. I've pointed out there that Asus is not going to take old boards back and swap out the socket(can you imagine the impact that would make on their RMA process?) nor are they going to ramp their whole production line down to swap over AM3+ sockets on 8 different lines in order to change over to AM3+ sockets. One line MAYBE, 8 lines? Not on their best day could they afford this level of retooling.

That Gigabyte Vid showed that their boards get manufactured in 10 minutes from start to box. Having worked in a packaging facility for Power Bar(Boise Plant), it takes days to get up to speed for a new line. That's not counting the cooks having to implement a new recipe. Just packaging. I don't see any MoBo company making this level of commitment unless their lines are ALREADY down between processes. Yeah I know big Diff between food and tech items but the Line process is essentially the same.

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I REALLY hope you are right but, I am not going to get my hopes up and I dont want to see people going out and buying one of these boards based on what they have read here and thinking they are going to drop in a FX 8 core beast.
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I REALLY hope you are right but, I am not going to get my hopes up and I dont want to see people going out and buying one of these boards based on what they have read here and thinking they are going to drop in a FX 8 core beast.
Yeah I wouldn't want someone to dole out $200(depending on the eTailers involved) to get into my board only to be squooshed like a bug because they couldn't put Bulldozer in it.

All I know is that the other line of thought doesn't compute. The cost in labor alone to swap sockets would be insane.

Some people feel this is how its gonna go with Asus, but I just don't see that for the very reasons I've given.

It would be better to take the stance that Gigabyte did by just letting everyone know that they are currently working on AM3+ platforms that will ship when Bulldozer ships. Probably cause the very factors I've listed make a ramp down implausible for them. They probably already finished their AM3 production run as it was.

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Man im not buying another motherboard just to play with BD. They better make this right or i will go on strike.
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Man im not buying another motherboard just to play with BD. They better make this right or i will go on strike.
you and me both! I will just wait for Ivy if that is the case. But I still have my fingers crossed!
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