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Originally Posted by dham View Post
Can't wait till Toyota sues this guy for everything he has. Honestly I think everybody should sue him because of his dumbasstery.
Toyota won't sue. It'd look bad for their image to the people who don't understand or haven't heard the details of the situation. Not to mention, the guy filed for bankruptcy. They'd likely get nothing from him.
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Last week James Sikes made headlines when his 2008 Toyota Prius raced out of control of a California highway, with speeds approaching 100 mph. Sikes claimed this was a case of unintended acceleration, with repeated attempts to stop the car not working. A believable story considering Toyota’s long list of recent recalls, it now appears to be a hoax with Runaway Prius Guy quickly becoming the next Balloon Boy.

A story that was riddled with misinformation (several outlets erroneously reporting that a California Highway Patrol officer had to use his cruiser to slow the Prius), Jalopnik uncovered that Sikes is in debt to the tune of $700,000 – motivation to fake the incident in order to get a settlement or to take Toyota to court. Sikes has repeated that he has no interest in suing Toyota, but now his story has been completely called into question.

A federal investigation of the Prius, as reported by the Wall Street Journal, has shown that the condition of the car’s brakes does not support Sikes’ story, in particular his insistence that repeated and forceful use of the brake pedal did not slow the car. According to the Journal, the investigation, “didn’t find signs the brake had been applied at full force at high speeds over a sustained period of time.â€

It’s not yet clear if the damage from this story can be repaired, but Toyota is on the march to repair its name, recently debunking the ABC News story and the work of professor David Gilbert of Southern Illinois University.
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Apparently he filled for bankruptcy in 2008 and is $700K in debt.
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Google "Direct Shift Gearbox" (DSG) audi/vw.

Does everything you ask for and then some. Superior to manual in every way. Although, "mechanically" speaking, it's not auto either.
Every way, like simplicity, reliability... price?
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Originally Posted by supaspoon View Post
Google "Direct Shift Gearbox" (DSG) audi/vw.

Does everything you ask for and then some. Superior to manual in every way. Although, "mechanically" speaking, it's not auto either.
No clutch = not superior.

Easier to drive, maybe. But not superior, nor as fun to drive. It also doesn't solve the problem of people hitting the wrong pedal and killing people.

The Audi 5000 problem, and this current Toyota problem are all from people with automatic transmissions.
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Every way, like simplicity, reliability... price?
Those always adjust with time. I was speaking in terms of performance.

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No clutch = not superior.

Easier to drive, maybe. But not superior, nor as fun to drive.
I'm speaking in terms of performance, in which case, the prescense of a pedal is irrelevant, and it is indeed superior to a single manual clutch. It's really quite difficult to attempt to dispute if you actually look at 'data'.

Wether or not you find it fun (I find it an absolute blast), well, that of course is pure opinion.

Edit for clarity: As stated below, the dsg does actually have two clutches, there's simply no pedal. It's essentially an alternating clutch manual transmission 'mechanically' speaking, but interfacing through the ecu instead of a pedal.
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No clutch = not superior.

Easier to drive, maybe. But not superior, nor as fun to drive. It also doesn't solve the problem of people hitting the wrong pedal and killing people.

The Audi 5000 problem, and this current Toyota problem are all from people with automatic transmissions.
There are actually two clutches in the DSG transmission.

In any case, IF this was an electronics issue to begin with, no amount of tests may actually be able to replicate the problem if it is intermittent. Personally, I'm skeptical that this situation ever really happened--I mean with some sort of car failure. The story just doesn't add up, plus knowing more info about the guy involved...
    
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Those always adjust with time. I was speaking in terms of performance.



I'm speaking in terms of performance, in which case, the prescense of a pedal is irrelevant, and it is indeed superior to a single manual clutch. It's really quite difficult to attempt to dispute if you actually look at 'data'.

Wether or not you find it fun (I find it an absolute blast), well, that of course is pure opinion.

Edit for clarity: As stated below, the dsg does actually have two clutches, there's simply no pedal. It's essentially an alternating clutch manual transmission 'mechanically' speaking, but interfacing through the ecu instead of a pedal.
Yeah I won't argue that.

I still think manuals prevent some stupid driving though.
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Yeah I won't argue that.

I still think manuals prevent some stupid driving though.
lol moots i know exactly what you mean but im gonna be a dick and say havent u been on you tube and seen people dropping the clutch in reverse, and what about fast n the furious?
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lol moots i know exactly what you mean but im gonna be a dick and say havent u been on you tube and seen people dropping the clutch in reverse, and what about fast n the furious?
I knew someone was going to come and say "but what about such and such".

That's why I said "some"

I think these runaway throttle problems would not have happened at all if the people were forced to drive manuals.
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The brakes aren't going to melt exactly. The rotors will either get too hot or the fluid will boil. Either one will not be good.

The mustang has a huge percentage of its weight in the front, and nearly 500 HP. It doesn't get much worse case scenario than that as far as street cars go.
The mustang likely also had the best brake setup in that chart. You don't put 500+ HP in a car and leave it with stock pistons,calipers, rotors, etc.
    
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