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Fatigue with a 5spd? That's a joke.
Ever do REAL stop and go traffic? I mean, full stop, then 10MPH, then full stop, then 30MPH for 20 seconds, full stop, 15MPH, full stop, 10MPH, 40MPH, 60MPH, ah crap full stop.

Repeat for an hour or two.

You'll be 'fatigued'.
    
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So you're saying everyone that has ever run out of gas (which is pretty much everyone who has ever driven) is stupid?

GOOD LOGIC

Not to sound demeaning but yes. If your fuel gauge is broken some how or your fuel light doesn't work then you have an excuse. But if you've driven a car and have been driving for some years, you're dumb if you drive your car for so long without realizing you need gas. No one in my family, none of my friends and neither myself have ever ran out of gas on the road while driving a perfectly operating car. Your gauge is there for a reason. That little light is there for a reason. Heck, some cars even give you an audible indicator when you're low on gas.
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Heck, some cars even give you an audible indicator when you're low on gas.
Mine does that! The engine stops making noise.
    
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Two things here.

1. The car shouldn't have done that.
2. The guy was a moron.
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If this happened to me, I would rig up ropes on the steering wheel to steer, then climb into the back seat (while driving using the ropes) and climb out the window, open the gas tank, and siphon the gas out while the car is driving!
    
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Don't quite agree with that. I had a transmission go on me in a full size pickup doing 70mph. That in turn shut the engine off, which shut the power steering off. Believe me, you notice it. Trying to get on to the shoulder, in traffic with a gradually slowing truck, with no power steering isn't easy. A Prius would not be quite as bad though I don't think.
I drove both an Accent '98 and a Tracker '93, both without power brakes nor power steering. I'm 20. Driving around without power steering is easy - it just get harder at slower speeds, and by slower I do mean less than 10mph, and by harder I mean a bit harder on the arms.


Toyota uses brakes that don't cut the engine's power when applied. When the engine's at full throttle chances are simply pushing the brake pedal with both your feet won't work. When the case with the police guy died when his rented Lexus went WOT on a freeway end, there were tests done, and you'd need something like your whole weight on the brake pedal to even hope to slow down the car enough to end up slowing down - even then the brakes would overheat quite fast and turn ineffective in a matter of seconds. Try to put 150 pounds of force on your brake pedal, and hold it - not that easy to do when you're going 90 on the freeway and you're sitting in a car.

The whole thing is Toyota's design fault. They need to fix their electronic throttle issue, and they also need to implement a feature to cut the engine's power when brakes are applied.

People need to learn what the "neutral" position is in cars. Hell, even slamming the gearbox into the park position will work (and no, the gears won't lock and shatter - it should click past a certain speed). I bet it's because redline = dangerous in most cars so people don't think about putting it into neutral as it would damage the engine, making it turn off then lose anything. It could also be a misconception that when the power is off, the steering locks, so the brain automatically don't think about putting the car into neutral.

If that would happen, well I have a stick car, so I'd hit the clutch, put it into neutral, hold the brakes, put me on the side of the road, and while doing so I'd turn the engine off and put it back to not lock the wheels. I'd do the same with an automatic gearbox (and if it won't go into neutral for whatever reason, Id turn the engine off then ignition to on). People just don't know and think about it.
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OK folks, 2008 Blue Toyota Prius owner and trained casualty investigator here to set a few things straight.

1. The car WILL shift into neutral at speed. This is preferable to cutting the engine because, like on any car, you will still have hydraulic power to the brakes beyond what is stored in the accumulator.
2. The 2008 Prius uses electrically-assisted power steering. Cutting all power to the car would remove the power steering, but at moderate to highway speeds, any car would still be controllable, including the Prius.
3. This car was not recalled as a part of the recent 'sudden acceleration' problem. The November recall was because floormats were sticking the accelerator, which in my admittedly biased yet perhaps more qualified view is more operator error than design flaw. Whether you drive a Prius or an old Willys Jeep, please don't put the floor mat on top of the throttle. 2004-2009 Prius recall
4. Even if, as alleged by many Toyota owners recently, the accelerator became 'stuck,' this would not lead to runaway, uncontrolled acceleration. At most, the car would level out at whatever its last throttle input was, but it would not accelerate with no input from the driver. Try it with your car - hit the accelerator and stick it there with your foot and report back what happens.
5. This car was not affected by the recent Prius brake recall. That recall is for model year 2010 vehicles only, which is the next generation version of the car. Incidentally, that recall wasn't for brake failure, but rather 'inconsistent' pedal feel that was caused by a software issue. 2010 Prius Recall

Overall, there is not enough information to determine the root cause of this mishap. What is clear is that the driver did not know how to respond to this type of emergency, despite all of the media attention similar issues have received of late. So what you can take away from the poorly written and short on facts article in the original post is this: What should I do if this ever happens to me?

Forgive me if it seems that I'm writing this in frustration, because I am. I've owned two Toyotas now and they've both been great cars, and I take great care to educate myself on consumer safety issues such as this. To see misinformed people from television and print reporters to Congressmen to even folks here at OCN loudly proclaim their outrage before they make any effort to learn about the problem or even confirm the information they've just received rubs me the wrong way. Thanks for listening just the same.

EDIT: One more thing - A safety interconnect that would cut throttle when the brakes applied is a great idea, and I agree that its implementation on ALL cars would be an effective and reasonable safety measure.
Edited by kremtok - 3/9/10 at 6:49am
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If this happened to me, I would rig up ropes on the steering wheel to steer, then climb into the back seat (while driving using the ropes) and climb out the window, open the gas tank, and siphon the gas out while the car is driving!
Well of course, I read the story and was just wondering why he didn't do exactly that. Don't they teach that in drivers ed?

lol, jk. I can't speak for these drivers whose cars are accelerating on their own, but I STRONGLY think there are a few ways to stop. Even if that way damages your car, Toyota is gonna have to pay to fix it anyway.
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Two things here.

1. The car shouldn't have done that.
2. The guy was a moron.

I don't think the guy was a moron...but certainly lucky. I'm scheduled to bring my 2009 Rav4 in for the acc. pedal recall fix tomorrow.

I thought the Pruis's were recalled for faulty braking software. I guess Toyota will have to add the acc. pedal in the laundry list as well. Ugh.
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OK folks, 2008 Blue Toyota Prius owner and trained casualty investigator here to set a few things straight.

1. The car WILL shift into neutral at speed. This is preferable to cutting the engine because, like on any car, you will still have hydraulic power to the brakes beyond what is stored in the accumulator.

2. The 2008 Prius uses electrically-assisted power steering. Cutting all power to the car would remove the power steering, but at moderate to highway speeds, any car would still be controllable, including the Prius.

4. Even if, as alleged by many Toyota owners recently, the accelerator became 'stuck,' this would not lead to runaway, uncontrolled acceleration. At most, the car would level out at whatever its last throttle input was, but it would not accelerate with no input from the driver. Try it with your car - hit the accelerator and stick it there with your foot and report back what happens.
0. Nice! Youve got the same car as the guy jk

1. Even without power assist the car should still break, especially considering power won't be going to the wheels anymore.

2. I have no idea why people make such a huge issue about losing power steering while driving. It's like going to non-power steering cars, which if I remember alot of people used to drive and still drive today, and they don't make a huge fuss about it

4. The guy did say he was passing somebody, there are chances he slammed the pedal to 3/4 and the accelerator got stuck there. At this point the engine has enough juice to slowly reach these speeds.
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