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have fun playing with enterprise equipment. some people dont realize how big of a difference there is from home pc use to enterprise stuff because they think a PC is nothing more than a means to get a higher FPS in games.

If i was you and your brother, i would learn the ins and outs of how it operate and maintenance of it. Definitely a good thing to learn for your future if you want to go into the IT field.
Yes indeed, this stuff is a blast!


You should play with that switch too, Cisco IOS is pretty fun to learn.
    
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<.< Working on it. Oh, I forgot to mention. We got a new another App server!


Pics coming tomorrow (hopefully). The thing is running an OLD Celly 433MHz XD. When we upgrade the dual PIII machine, we will be putting 2 1.4Ghz into it. The old 1.26Ghz PIII will go into this machine
 
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<.< Working on it. Oh, I forgot to mention. We got a new another App server!


Pics coming tomorrow (hopefully). The thing is running an OLD Celly 433MHz XD. When we upgrade the dual PIII machine, we will be putting 2 1.4Ghz into it. The old 1.26Ghz PIII will go into this machine
I have to ask - why on earth are you 'upgrading' the P3 machine? It really makes no sense - you would be better placed spending the money on something newer in the first place. As a rough guide, a few months ago I bought a fully working 1u PowerEdge 750, with 1GB RAM, dual 160GB SATA drives, a 6-port hardware RAID card, dual Intel NICs and a 2.8GHz P4 with HT for the princely sum of $26. Although a little noisier, it completely destroys my Supermicro dual 1GHz P3 server in terms of CPU speed (and network transfers, since the P3 only has onboard fast ethernet not gigabit). Although it has 1 fewer core, the fact it has double the clock speed and HT more than makes up for it.

On a similar note, you will likely struggle to upgrade in the method you mention - a 433MHz Celeron will be Mendocino (sp?) based, with a 66MHz FSB. Your 1.26GHz P3 will have a Tualatin core - with a 133MHz FSB. The chances of a board sold with a 66MHz bus being able to support a cpu that much newer is slim...
post #34 of 154
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I have to ask - why on earth are you 'upgrading' the P3 machine? It really makes no sense - you would be better placed spending the money on something newer in the first place. As a rough guide, a few months ago I bought a fully working 1u PowerEdge 750, with 1GB RAM, dual 160GB SATA drives, a 6-port hardware RAID card, dual Intel NICs and a 2.8GHz P4 with HT for the princely sum of $26. Although a little noisier, it completely destroys my Supermicro dual 1GHz P3 server in terms of CPU speed (and network transfers, since the P3 only has onboard fast ethernet not gigabit). Although it has 1 fewer core, the fact it has double the clock speed and HT more than makes up for it.

On a similar note, you will likely struggle to upgrade in the method you mention - a 433MHz Celeron will be Mendocino (sp?) based, with a 66MHz FSB. Your 1.26GHz P3 will have a Tualatin core - with a 133MHz FSB. The chances of a board sold with a 66MHz bus being able to support a cpu that much newer is slim...
Seconded.

Spending money on outdated OLD technology is a *really* bad investment, no matter how much you spend. Especially if you can get a hyperthreaded P4-system for $26!!!
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how much did that all cost you on ebay?
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I have no idea. All I know is that he got them from ebay. But you cannot just slap any normal hard drive into these. They have to be Enterprise class which are expensive and you have the way these things work all off.

They run in RAID groups. You loose 2 disks per self incase 1 fails, the other takes over. So that means 2 disk could fail per shelf.
Also, because of formating, OS, blah blah blah. Once all those shelves are put together, we are only going to have 8TB of space. This is all basically a lab setup for my mom because VTLs are going out the window and she was one of the best in the company when it came to them.
I think any SATA enclosure, unless there is specific firmware prohibiting other drives, should accept pretty much any drive. I would be very suprised if you couldn't use one of the WD RE3/RE4/RE4GP drives.
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I have to ask - why on earth are you 'upgrading' the P3 machine? It really makes no sense - you would be better placed spending the money on something newer in the first place. As a rough guide, a few months ago I bought a fully working 1u PowerEdge 750, with 1GB RAM, dual 160GB SATA drives, a 6-port hardware RAID card, dual Intel NICs and a 2.8GHz P4 with HT for the princely sum of $26. Although a little noisier, it completely destroys my Supermicro dual 1GHz P3 server in terms of CPU speed (and network transfers, since the P3 only has onboard fast ethernet not gigabit). Although it has 1 fewer core, the fact it has double the clock speed and HT more than makes up for it.

On a similar note, you will likely struggle to upgrade in the method you mention - a 433MHz Celeron will be Mendocino (sp?) based, with a 66MHz FSB. Your 1.26GHz P3 will have a Tualatin core - with a 133MHz FSB. The chances of a board sold with a 66MHz bus being able to support a cpu that much newer is slim...
O_o Okay, we have 3 Application servers. 1 has 2 P3 that has only 1 P3 + a dummy in it, 1 has a P4 and one has a celly in it. What we plan on doing is upgrading the 2 socket P3 machine and putting the old P3 chip that is in it into the celly machine. Also, since both the P3 and celly socket machines are S370 they should work just fine... I think.

Besides, the new "upgrade" for the 2 socket P3 machine are 2 1.4Ghz P3s. And since it will be running Win server 2003, the P4 will have Win Server 2008, and the celly machine (even if the new donated P3 from the other machine does not work) will have Redhat on it. All bases are covered if things do not work.

We plan on upgrading whatever would be the most bang for the buck. Besides, before we do any upgrades, we are doing our homework on each application server. 2 of them we have PDFs on them (complete manuals) and the new one we are working on finding one for it. If the Celly cannot be upgraded, then we will just put a second P3 1.26Ghz into the other machine.

Meh. I know I am not making sense but trust me, we got all bases covered.
 
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I think any SATA enclosure, unless there is specific firmware prohibiting other drives, should accept pretty much any drive. I would be very suprised if you couldn't use one of the WD RE3/RE4/RE4GP drives.
Netapp puts custom firmware onto the drives. Only netapp firmware drives can work in a netapp shelf...

But I could easily pop out the SATA drives in the shelf and put them into a desktop, just not the other way around. The same goes for the Fiber drives.
 
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O_o Okay, we have 3 Application servers. 1 has 2 P3 that has only 1 P3 + a dummy in it, 1 has a P4 and one has a celly in it. What we plan on doing is upgrading the 2 socket P3 machine and putting the old P3 chip that is in it into the celly machine. Also, since both the P3 and celly socket machines are S370 they should work just fine... I think.

Besides, the new "upgrade" for the 2 socket P3 machine are 2 1.4Ghz P3s. And since it will be running Win server 2003, the P4 will have Win Server 2008, and the celly machine (even if the new donated P3 from the other machine does not work) will have Redhat on it. All bases are covered if things do not work.

We plan on upgrading whatever would be the most bang for the buck. Besides, before we do any upgrades, we are doing our homework on each application server. 2 of them we have PDFs on them (complete manuals) and the new one we are working on finding one for it. If the Celly cannot be upgraded, then we will just put a second P3 1.26Ghz into the other machine.

Meh. I know I am not making sense but trust me, we got all bases covered.

Ehhh.... If you say so.

For the dual-socket system, you'll have to get matching CPUs otherwise you're (most likely) going to run into problems. And by matching CPUs, I mean matching everything...

And you can stop saying "dummy P3", LOL. Just say that it's a dual-socket motherboard with single CPU installed...
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<.< They are match P3s. Same model, same cache size, same socket, same everything.
 
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