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I thought I got the info from this thread before, but couldnt find it. Does anyone know where to find (on the net) or in the registry where to change the amount of time Win7 will wait before forcing a program to kill?
It's here:

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It's the String value named WaitToKillServiceTimeout. The value is in milliseconds. I think the best minimum value is about 500 because I think that anything less than 1000 leans towards being too unforgiving. The default is 12000, so if you always have to wait 12 whole seconds for Windows 7 to shut down, then change this value to like 1000, or 2000 and then see if it works. If not, then there might be something you have running in the background that you don't use or need at all. You see, mine is still set to 12000 but I only have to wait roughly 1-2 seconds for Windows to shut down because I have absolutely no processes running in the background that I don't use or need. But unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to guess which process or processes you have running that you are currently having to wait 12 seconds for when you tell Windows 7 to shut down. I mean, I haven't done any testing to find out which process or processes I disable that make Windows 7 shut down that fast.

But if you have to wait longer than 12 seconds, then this might be completely unrelated to WaitToKillServiceTimeout.
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My thoughts exactly. Btw Magic-Man when is your new guide ready for the NY Times Bestseller List?
As soon as the software comes outta beta, and I am done stress testing the new tweaks for more performance outta the Intel chipset on laptops.
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Thank you so much. Until now I did not know the reason not to attach mechanical drives while setting up the SSD. All I knew was that Magic-Man was emphatic about doing so.

Now am I carrying things to an extreme if I have 2 80 Gig SSD's and set up the 1st SSD (with Win 7 OS and primary Programs) without connecting the 2nd SSD? And then after the 1st SSD is set up properly, connect and install the balance of the Programs on the 2nd SSD?

Or am I being an OCD pedant?
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Sounds like a perfectly good way to ensure things work out the way you want them to. I don't think the Windows installer would choose to install the 100MB partition on the other SSD if you did leave it attached, it prefers mechanical drives for that for some reason. Having said that I don't really understand how it decides where to put this boot partition so you might as well save yourself a worry and disconnect all the other drives while you install.
Yes, oddly you'd think the order in the BIOS would determine the "first" disk and that Windows would pick that one for the boot sector etc...

However I've learned from experience it's not always the one you think should be "first"... so the best way to force the boot sector to the place you'd like is to disconnect all the other drives.

However that said the only down side would be if you wanted to "separate" the drives at some time in the future, as long as both drives are together it doesn't really matter if the boot sector is on the "wrong" drive.

I'm a bit OCD personally, so it *would* bother me if the boot sector was on the "Secondary" drive...
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Is there any reason you're keeping your SSDs as discrete drives rather than putting them in RAID 0? (I realize that you have an AMD chipset mobo rather than an Intel one. I don't know how that would impact RAID 0 performance.)
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Is there any reason you're keeping your SSDs as discrete drives rather than putting them in RAID 0? (I realize that you have an AMD chipset mobo rather than an Intel one. I don't know how that would impact RAID 0 performance.)
I'll be perfectly honest with you (honesty being one of my many fallibilities. ); I really know nothing about RAID nor why to use it.

The only reason that I have 2 of the Intel X25 80 Gigs. is that I simply messed up. I should have purchased a 160 Gig but did not do so because until I read everything Magic-Man wrote I had only planned to put the Win 7 Ultimate OS on the SSD and the Programs on the HD. Stupid, eh? Now I know that it is self-defeating if the Programs and the OS are not both installed on the SSD(s).

One thing all of OCN will learn about me is that I have no ego. Quite to the contrary, I really appreciate it when someone tells me a direction I intend to go is wrong - and why. So at the present my plan is to put the OS and Principal Programs on SSD #1 and the balance of my Programs on SSD #2.
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On the contrary, I don't think you messed up. The reason I bought 2 smaller SSDs and RAID 0-ed them is because 2 smaller ones is cheaper than 1 bigger one. So I get the space of a 128GB SSD, and I get the performance increase that comes with RAID 0.

I don't know if you'd see any real life performance increase with your drives in RAID 0, but on paper, they'd perform faster.

That said, RAID 0 w/ SSDs can be a pain...it took me quite a while to get mine working because of the outdated Intel Matrix Storage Option ROM that my BIOS has.

All else equal, you'd have the same amount of space with a RAID 0 setup, and better performance.
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It's here:

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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SYSTEM\\CurrentControlSet\\Control
It's the String value named WaitToKillServiceTimeout. The value is in milliseconds. I think the best minimum value is about 500 because I think that anything less than 1000 leans towards being too unforgiving. The default is 12000, so if you always have to wait 12 whole seconds for Windows 7 to shut down, then change this value to like 1000, or 2000 and then see if it works. If not, then there might be something you have running in the background that you don't use or need at all. You see, mine is still set to 12000 but I only have to wait roughly 1-2 seconds for Windows to shut down because I have absolutely no processes running in the background that I don't use or need. But unfortunately, I wouldn't be able to guess which process or processes you have running that you are currently having to wait 12 seconds for when you tell Windows 7 to shut down. I mean, I haven't done any testing to find out which process or processes I disable that make Windows 7 shut down that fast.

But if you have to wait longer than 12 seconds, then this might be completely unrelated to WaitToKillServiceTimeout.
Your system, if you still have them emabled, logs what is preventing shut down. The only reason I know that now is because of my lappy where I first had this problem. I dont want to get rid of my virus scan being that I paid for it, and works extremely well. Just wish there was a way to kill it faster. Seems to want to just chill a few minutes before shutting down my system. This is what my problem is, was hoping that editing the kill line in the reg would allow my OS to kill the virus scan sooner.
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All else equal, you'd have the same amount of space with a RAID 0 setup, and better performance.
And no TRIM support.
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And no TRIM support.
Because of his chipset? That's a very good point if his chipset doesn't support trim with the SSDs in RAID 0.
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Because of his chipset? That's a very good point if his chipset doesn't support trim with the SSDs in RAID 0.
It's not just the chipset - you fundamentally don't get TRIM in a RAID array, it's a problem that has not been solved by anyone yet and may never be solved.
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