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"bumped VTT from 1.335V up to 1.595V"
Correct me if im wrong but isnt 1.59 a little too high? especially with mem@1.7v as well.
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I bumped vcore at the point it's not 101 bsod error any more (1.44V), bumped VTT from 1.335V up to 1.595V still 124 bsod error, IOH core up to 1.30V, memory up to 1.70V, PCI-E up to 103, CPU PLL up to 1.80V, what can I do else? ICH Core?
That's a lot of voltage man, for speeds above 200 BCLK you need to fool around with PCI-E speed.

I'ld loosen up those timings C6 / 1600mhz / CR1, that has to be a pain in the ass to get stable... Lower IOH core, Up CPU PLL a notch or two (just stay sub 1.89)

Keep in mind that too MUCH VTT can also make your system unstable. I wouldn't go above 1.35 VTT for 1600mhz ramspeed. So maybe in your case 1.36/1.38 VTT should do the trick at 1680mhz. My best bet would be lowering VTT and upping CPU Pll to 1.84/1.86/1.88.

There's a nice voltage guide here. Take a look at some of those voltages, it's not set in stone you need to follow them though.
Edited by koji - 11/4/10 at 1:36am
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I bumped vcore at the point it's not 101 bsod error any more (1.44V), bumped VTT from 1.335V up to 1.595V still 124 bsod error, IOH core up to 1.30V, memory up to 1.70V, PCI-E up to 103, CPU PLL up to 1.80V, what can I do else? ICH Core?
Stop increasing all of the voltages for a start. 1.6v for VTT is too high. CPU PLL to 1.8? And why are you increasing PCIE frequency? Increasing everything is not always the solution to a BSOD.
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Stop increasing all of the voltages for a start. 1.6v for VTT is too high. CPU PLL to 1.8? And why are you increasing PCIE frequency? Increasing everything is not always the solution to a BSOD.

What he said!

CPU PLL 1.80 is stock on X58 btw

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On a plus note I think the high temperature settled the thermal paste better and I am getting lower temps.
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I saw those lists of specs...very impressive. I need to double my ram to 12 GB and I'll be trying to grab the same triple channel mem kit from Corsair from it.

That list though...only 2 950 rigs on it. I'm kind of wondering what I can push an air-cooled system with a Megahalems sink with it staying stable. The two setups on there that look like mine appear to be liquid cooled. Trial and error? Honestly, with the sensitive memory controllers on the Core series of chips, I'm leery of pushing too much. I'm thinking I should leave the memory alone and just go for a bit of a boost on the CPU. What would you adjust first, and how do you normally adjust your memory to compensate as necessary?

One final question: any thoughts on the F7 BIOS? I also hear of a F8 BIOS in beta floating around...
Keep in mind that filling all banks with ram will make it harder to achieve a stable OC.

About the memory OC'ing, I'm just running my memory on stock speeds, timings and speeds of DDR3 really don't matter too much, only in synthetic tests maybe a bit.

Check this writeup Anand has about it.

On my rig it all "magically" comes together, 200BCLK x 8 ratio = my default memspeed add the 21 multi = 4.2ghz. 2:8 memratio is also the one i7s like most. Use an uneven multiplier for OC'ing i7s btw.

It's a lot of trial and error and reading really, X58 is pretty "easy" to OC on. Just print a template, fill it in, post it here, we'll help you out. (atleast try )

Oh and you can get the latest beta bios here Also a link there to previous beta versions, but f8c (the last one) is good. That's for rev 1 UD7s though.
Edited by koji - 11/4/10 at 1:55am
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koji,thanks for that link to the voltage info,usefull.

My UD7 went back to Gigabyte RMA heaven after 2 days use,since then(last week)i have been looking at the bios settings i last used.

One of the settings im worried i had too high was qpi/vtt which i had at 1.55,i have now found out a stick of ram that was in the mobo at the time is also now dead...too much qpi/vtt?
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post #1336 of 3826
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Originally Posted by superj1977 View Post
"bumped VTT from 1.335V up to 1.595V"
Correct me if im wrong but isnt 1.59 a little too high? especially with mem@1.7v as well.
It's not too high, 1.60V is XMP VTT for 2000 ram / 4000 nb freq

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Originally Posted by koji View Post
That's a lot of voltage man, for speeds above 200 BCLK you need to fool around with PCI-E speed.

I'ld loosen up those timings C6 / 1600mhz / CR1, that has to be a pain in the ass to get stable... Lower IOH core, Up CPU PLL a notch or two (just stay sub 1.89)

Keep in mind that too MUCH VTT can also make your system unstable. I wouldn't go above 1.35 VTT for 1600mhz ramspeed. So maybe in your case 1.36/1.38 VTT should do the trick at 1680mhz. My best bet would be lowering VTT and upping CPU Pll to 1.86/1.88.
Did you check my template m8? 1600 CL6 1.65V 1.335V VTT is anything but pain in the ass, IOH is Normal, can it be more lower? CPU PLL 1.40V for 200x21

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Originally Posted by Prox View Post
Stop increasing all of the voltages for a start. 1.6v for VTT is too high. CPU PLL to 1.8? And why are you increasing PCIE frequency? Increasing everything is not always the solution to a BSOD.
Guys, what's my template for? I'm not raising everything, just saying with what settings I've already been playing to save you time...

To be more clear, 20 min occt stable:

210x21=4410 1.44v
210x8=1680 6-6-6-18 60 1T 1.65V
210x16=3360 1.355v
cpu pll = 1.40v
ioh = normal
pcie = 100

Whatever I try to raise 20 min +- error 124

Any solution?
Edited by Cele303 - 11/4/10 at 1:56am
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It's not too high, 1.60V is XMP VTT for 2000 ram / 4000 nb freq



Did you check my template m8? 1600 CL6 1.65V 1.335V VTT is anything but pain in the ass, IOH is Normal, can it be more lower? CPU PLL 1.40V for 200x21



Guys, what's my template for? I'm not raising everything, just saying with what settings I've already been playing to save you time...
Was playing with an RE3 last night in kitchen and noticed that xmp profile 1 for my ram in sig also showed the same 1.60vtt but i also noticed that when i adjusted this my self in bios the numbers were in red,to me a clear indication that this was a high voltage.
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It's not too high, 1.60V is XMP VTT for 2000 ram / 4000 nb freq



Did you check my template m8? 1600 CL6 1.65V 1.335V VTT is anything but pain in the ass, IOH is Normal, can it be more lower? CPU PLL 1.40V for 200x21



Guys, what's my template for? I'm not raising everything, just saying with what settings I've already been playing to save you time...

To be more clear, 20 min occt stable:

210x21=4410 1.44v
210x8=1680 6-6-6-18 60 1T 1.65V
210x16=3360 1.355v
cpu pll = 1.40v
ioh = normal
pcie = 100

Whatever I try to raise 20 min +- error 124

Any solution?
You're underclocking CPU PLL (to 1.40), default CPU PLL voltage is 1.80, that's bound to cause issues. Try 1.84/1.86.

About that memory, I'm not claiming you can't get it stable, I'm just saying I'ld loosen up those timings for now, untill you get your CPU OC stable, then start tweaking the memory. C6 timings at CR1 are like, THOIGHT like a tiger!

I wouldn't personally use anything above 1.40VTT for 24/7 usage though, but that's just me, but indeed for 2000mhz ramspeeds you'll need around 1.50VTT and certainly if you're going to be running your uncore at 4000mhz you'll need even more than 1.50VTT, in your case I'ld try to run uncore at a low multiplier and get it to around 3200mhz, that way you don't need EXTRA VTT for that uncore speed (besides the extra VTT for the 2000mhz ramspeeds, you dig?)


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koji,thanks for that link to the voltage info,usefull.

My UD7 went back to Gigabyte RMA heaven after 2 days use,since then(last week)i have been looking at the bios settings i last used.

One of the settings im worried i had too high was qpi/vtt which i had at 1.55,i have now found out a stick of ram that was in the mobo at the time is also now dead...too much qpi/vtt?
You're welcome mate, QPI/VTT voltage is a silent killer, most of the i7s they killed early on were due to too high VTT voltages. Don't think that it would brick RAM though. DDR3 does get pretty darn hot when you don't have sufficient aircooling. My sticks at default (they're basic stuff, no fancy cooling) get pretty hot. So maybe that killed it, I dunno.
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Yeah perhaps it was just faulty ram,its been kept cool im always in my case snooping for heat,lol.

Cant wait for me UD7 to get back from RMAshould be early next week.
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I was thinking to run the ram to manufactured specs so its potential could be realized. I'm new to overclocking and i haven bought a CPU cooler still using the stock fan so would like to take it slowly afraid to screw things up by overclocking all the components at once.

Btw would overclocking the cpu reduce the life span of the cpu significantly??

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I don't understand what the hell you are saying!

Just out of curiosity, why whould you not want to OC the CPU?

You will see little to no gain by setting the ram to manufactured specs.
Now the CPU you will notice huge gains in having it OC'ed.

You can see the gains by running simple benchmarks such as SuperPi. For example I have a chip stock at 2.8 GHz that will do a 1M PI calculation in about 40 seconds, and I OC that chip to 4.2 GHz, now I can run the 1M superPi in about 10 seconds.

I shaved 30 seconds off my time. Times that by how long you sit at your PC.
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