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Hello i have a question

This motherboard can control
3 x system fan headers
1 x power fan header
1 x North Bridge fan header

fan speed with for example speed fan program?.

thank you
Yes, that is correct. It's been supported since SpeedFan's version 4.35 through this boards Input/Output Controller IT8720. It's support was updated in versions 4.36 and 4.38. The newest version is SpeedFan 4.41 Beta 9.
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Well I'm new here so hi guys...

I would really appreciate some help/suggestions:

My Spec, build was done yesterday:

Intel 980x 3.33ghz
Prolimatech Megahelems HS
Noctua x 2, push & pull
12Gb corsair Dominator 1600mhz (6x2gb)
Gigabyte X58 UD7 board
Crucial C300 + 2x Seagate Sata 3 2Tb
Coolermaster Sniper Case
Corsair 850HX Modular PSU
Nvidia GTX480
Windows 7 64bit Home Premium

Intended overclock: 4.2Ghz

Some background:

I have built many, many systems over the years but this is my first real build with an i7. I have VERY limited experience with overclocking, ZERO with i7s.

The Build:

My build didn't entirely go to plan! To my surprise the Megahelems only came with two fan clips (after spending over an hour searching my rubbish for missing clips!). Despite that the extra set would have been useless anyway. The "push" fan sits right on top of the corsair dominators! The ram makes the push fan sit an inch or so higher than the heat sink. After some head scratching and even thinking about dropping to 6gb of ram I decided to leave the push fan as is, tie wrap the top and use the corsair cooler (came with the dominator sticks) to wedge the bottom tight to the heat sink! It doesn't look great but it works reasonably well.

I left everything default for the Windows installation.

Overclocking!

I tried to get 4.2ghz using 168 bus, 25x Multiplier and a vcore of 1.375 (plus other voltage tweaks from a page on this thread:

http://www.overclock.net/9167823-post119.html (with 1.375vcore not 1.344, my system blue screened the second I ran prime95 with the 1.344(ish) setting)

Windows would boot fine but Prime95 & LinX would cause a blue screen crash after a minute or so. I noticed in CPUID that my actual voltage reading was 1.35 and toyed with upping the voltage higher but with LinX my core #9 hit a max of 95deg, core #0 - 93deg which seemed a bit hot (after only a couple of mins) so I backed off.

Current OC: (4.16ghz)

26X Multiplier, 160bus and 1.3xx vcore (can't remember exactly (maybe 1.36x) but less than 1.375) the CPUID vcore reading is 1.33v with a max of 1.34v. CPU is at 4.16ghz with these settings. I've got a 44x QPI which gives something around the 7ghz area. (Overall I've used similar settings to the linked post except reduced bus, +1 multiplier, slightly reduced vcore and LLC level 1)

Testing:

I've run a LinX test (Problem size 25000, 50 passes):

With LinX I'm still getting max core temps on core #9 of 94deg, lowest core max of 92deg. Hopefully this is ok considering LinX seems to really push the CPU but I'm not too happy with the temps...
Test passed.

Prime95: I'm quite shocked that a core which was hitting 94deg before is now 83deg max! 11deg lower under Prime95! I'm new to LinX and have only ever stress tested with Prime95 before now, I'd always assumed that nothing could heat up a CPU more.

After running Prime95 for about 3hrs I noticed that the CPU core temp on #9 had crept up to 87deg. I then realised that not only had I connected the Noctuas to the motherboard fan header (one being on the CPU header) by design but I'd also left on the LNA adapters so the fans were running slower than they should be. Removed LNAs while Prime 95 still running and got the temp down 3 degrees to 84deg which is .. well... better.

Questions:

1. I've heard that it is more difficult to overclock when you go with 12gb of RAM but I have no idea why this might be the case. Is this true?

2. Which is correct the BIOS voltage setting, the reading from CPUID or neither?

3. My temps are quite high -
As I write this the system is running Prime95 still, core temps are:

Core #0 80
Core #1 77
Core #2 71
Core #8 73
Core #9 81
Core #10 78

Currently the system is pretty stable. Are my temps too high? If they are does anyone have any suggestions how I might get them to drop without losing Ghz?

4. My original attempt pretty much followed the linked post exactly.. But I got blue screen crashes (several times). Any ideas as to why this might be?

5. Lastly. I was pretty surprised that the push fan on the Megahelems snags with the ram. I don't think I can rotate it 90deg because I think the heat sink itself will then snag with the RAM. Has anyone else had this issue and what heat sink/fan combo would you guys suggest if I change to something else? I know I could use a H50-1 but don't like the idea of pushing warm air into my case (not with a 480 in there anyway!)
Edited by DragonRR - 4/30/10 at 4:49pm
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Welcome. I will try to help you out with some of these but, I do not experience with all of your problems. There is a lot of info in the older post in this thread.
Put your system info in your sig. Go to User CP, edit system, fill in info and save. It is easier for people to help you without scrooling back to see your full system specs.


1. That has always been the case with overclocking as far as I know. In previous generations I would getter better OCs with 2GB RAM apposed to 4GB.

2. Not sure but someone here probably does.

3. That does seem high, I know I like to keep my D0 under 70C

4. Blue screens are a sign of instability. Did you just plug in those settings at once or did you step it up 5-10 at a time, reboot, test, reboot to bios, step it up 5-10....until unstable and or add voltage if unstable?

5. Refer to answer #2
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Thanks for the response r2tbone.

I've updated my profile.

1. I agree that this does seem to be the case.. Anyone know why? curious..

2. Hopefully

3. I did have a look at the specs but there doesn't seem to be a general consensus. The CPU case according to a spec I've seen can cope with about 69 degrees. I'm seeing 66 deg currently in Prime95 but have maxed at 74 deg.

4. Yes, blue screens are not my favourite thing in the world The error each time was something to do with CPU clock (which seemed pretty appropriate!). I jumped straight in with the settings I linked above. I then fiddled around both up and down with vcore. Anything lower was immediate blue screen. I seemed to be getting stability at over 1.375 but the temps rocketed and I stopped. I then dropped the bus to 160, lowered the vcore a little (to 1.3625 having now checked) and increased the multiplier by 1 obtaining what appears to be a very solid OC but still with somewhat high temps. I' pretty sure I tried a vcore a bit lower than 1.3625 with these settings but I got another blue screen after about 15mins with Prime95.

5. Refer to my answer #2

Having read other posts I wonder if I'm pushing the QPI too hard. A lot of people stick with a 36x multiplier although the linked post went with 44x.

Another possibility is I'm running BIOS F6, would the beta help? I've just noticed that lsdmeasap whose settings I copied is running F7e.......

EDIT: AND! lsdmeasap has watercooling! This could well be the final nail in the coffin for my 4.2ghz ambitions!

Finally although the push fan seems to be getting air through obviously the bottom inch of the heat sink is blocked by the ram. Maybe I should reconsider going for the H50? I just hate the thought have hot air being pumped in!
Edited by DragonRR - 4/30/10 at 6:37pm
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Have you guys seen these?

105 mb/s USB 3.0 flash drives. 8gb-128gb storage. I want..

http://www.coolcomputing.com/article.php?sid=3937
Looks nice, know anywhere to buy one yet?


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Originally Posted by dagar View Post
Hello i have a question

This motherboard can control
3 x system fan headers
1 x power fan header
1 x North Bridge fan header

fan speed with for example speed fan program?.

thank you
Speedfan or Easytune can only control the CPU Fan and SYS_Fan2 headers, the rest will be voltage controlled and run at 100%


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Originally Posted by DragonRR View Post
Questions:

1. I've heard that it is more difficult to overclock when you go with 12gb of RAM but I have no idea why this might be the case. Is this true?

2. Which is correct the BIOS voltage setting, the reading from CPUID or neither?

3. My temps are quite high -
As I write this the system is running Prime95 still, core temps are:

Core #0 80
Core #1 77
Core #2 71
Core #8 73
Core #9 81
Core #10 78

Currently the system is pretty stable. Are my temps too high? If they are does anyone have any suggestions how I might get them to drop without losing Ghz?

4. My original attempt pretty much followed the linked post exactly.. But I got blue screen crashes (several times). Any ideas as to why this might be?

5. Lastly. I was pretty surprised that the push fan on the Megahelems snags with the ram. I don't think I can rotate it 90deg because I think the heat sink itself will then snag with the RAM. Has anyone else had this issue and what heat sink/fan combo would you guys suggest if I change to something else? I know I could use a H50-1 but don't like the idea of pushing warm air into my case (not with a 480 in there anyway!)
1. Kinda/sorta, like mentioned above in regards to DDR2 4GB. It may not hinder all that much CPU-wise but it may a bit with memory overclocking. I have seen 12GB triple channel at 2100+ though so you may be ok depending on the memory itself and what you want to do. I have no issues with 12GB though, even with mix-matched memory when testing various things. If you are having issues you probably just need to get used to the board and what settings affect what until you can find the proper settings for your setup.

2. BIOS setting for Vcore is your Vcore. CPU-z shows your Vcore minus Vdrop at idle, and then under load CPU-z will show your Vcore minus Vdrop and Vdroop. This is normal under load, you can control the amount of Vdroop (Idle vs load) voltage by using LLC (Load Line Calibration)

3. Temps sound ok to me, maybe a little high for prime, but I have never used Air cooling so not sure? You may want to aska round a bit more on that, or remount your cooler with less paste a few times and see if you notice a difference. All CPU's are different too, so your temps may not be the same as others even with the same settings and cooling. I can say though that I find 980X to be MUCH cooler than my 965 C0, I rarely hit 70C @ 4.2 when my old 965 would hit 80-85C easy.

4. BSOD Error codes and what they mean:
0X00000050 << Incorrect Memory Timing/Freq or Uncore Multi
0X00000124 << Incorrect QPI/Vtt Voltage (To Much/Not Enough)
0X00000101 << Not enough Vcore Voltage



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Originally Posted by DragonRR View Post

Having read other posts I wonder if I'm pushing the QPI too hard. A lot of people stick with a 36x multiplier although the linked post went with 44x.

Another possibility is I'm running BIOS F6, would the beta help? I've just noticed that lsdmeasap whose settings I copied is running F7e.......

EDIT: AND! lsdmeasap has watercooling! This could well be the final nail in the coffin for my 4.2ghz ambitions!

Finally although the push fan seems to be getting air through obviously the bottom inch of the heat sink is blocked by the ram. Maybe I should reconsider going for the H50? I just hate the thought have hot air being pumped in!
I ALWAYS use ONLY the latest Beta BIOS, or a Beta anyway. I never use final BIOSes, so I can't really comment on F6, but I can say F7e is great to use as is F6X and Test 1. I have not updated to the latest yet this week (F7f), still running F7e

QPI of 36 at the setting I posted that you may be using it probably fine, I just always try to keep the QPI Speed in the 7GT/s range so that is why I used X44

QPI/Vtt and uncore multi seems to be the key to 980X to me, you can now use lower than 2:1 uncore multi's, but I have not tinkered with that much and found that 2x or 2x+2 still worked best for me

Yes, I have the full board EK Nickel Block, and Cuplex XT Di CPU Block.

20 Pass LinX temps for the settings I posted previously >>

(Clicky)


Hope those BSOD Codes can help you get going! If not post us your settings and we can advise back.

Don't be scared of the QPI/Vtt setting
    
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Really appreciate your help. I've now flashed to 7e. Currently retesting with previous settings but lower vcore and lower QPI. I've tried:
1.33750 vcore
1.31500 QPI
But LinX bombed with an error without a single pass. (No blue screen tho!)

I'm now trying
1.34375 vcore
9 passes completed so far

Temps for the cores are currently lower than yesterday, max is core #9 at 82 deg. Fingers crossed! The temps just might be ok for LinX.

I was very tempted to try watercooling but worry about maintaining it. If computers were meant to have water they'd have fins!

EDIT:
Aaargh LinX stopped with an error after 11 passes but I must be getting close to minimum vcore.
Testing with LLC level 2 rather than upping the vcore.

EDIT2:
Temps are going too high (#9 87deg) with level 2 LLC, going with 1.35000 vcore. LLC level2 gave a CPUID reading of 1.33v. 1.35000 vcore gives a reading of 1.31v.

EDIT3:
Fail in LinX after 17 passes. Damn. Upped the vcore to 1.35625. Starting the test again. This setting still gives a CPUID reading of 1.31v, temp for core #9 is about 2 deg higher (85deg) than the previous vcore setting.

Question: Anyone know if it would be better for me to lower the vcore to say 1.3 but up the LLC to level 2..?
Edited by DragonRR - 5/1/10 at 5:12am
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Well I'm new here so hi guys...

I would really appreciate some help/suggestions:

My Spec, build was done yesterday:

Intel 980x 3.33ghz
Prolimatech Megahelems HS
Noctua x 2, push & pull
12Gb corsair Dominator 1600mhz (6x2gb)
Gigabyte X58 UD7 board
Crucial C300 + 2x Seagate Sata 3 2Tb
Coolermaster Sniper Case
Corsair 850HX Modular PSU
Nvidia GTX480
Windows 7 64bit Home Premium

Intended overclock: 4.2Ghz

Some background:

I have built many, many systems over the years but this is my first real build with an i7. I have VERY limited experience with overclocking, ZERO with i7s.

The Build:

My build didn't entirely go to plan! To my surprise the Megahelems only came with two fan clips (after spending over an hour searching my rubbish for missing clips!). Despite that the extra set would have been useless anyway. The "push" fan sits right on top of the corsair dominators! The ram makes the push fan sit an inch or so higher than the heat sink. After some head scratching and even thinking about dropping to 6gb of ram I decided to leave the push fan as is, tie wrap the top and use the corsair cooler (came with the dominator sticks) to wedge the bottom tight to the heat sink! It doesn't look great but it works reasonably well.

I left everything default for the Windows installation.

Overclocking!

I tried to get 4.2ghz using 168 bus, 25x Multiplier and a vcore of 1.375 (plus other voltage tweaks from a page on this thread:

http://www.overclock.net/9167823-post119.html (with 1.375vcore not 1.344, my system blue screened the second I ran prime95 with the 1.344(ish) setting)

Windows would boot fine but Prime95 & LinX would cause a blue screen crash after a minute or so. I noticed in CPUID that my actual voltage reading was 1.35 and toyed with upping the voltage higher but with LinX my core #9 hit a max of 95deg, core #0 - 93deg which seemed a bit hot (after only a couple of mins) so I backed off.

Current OC: (4.16ghz)

26X Multiplier, 160bus and 1.3xx vcore (can't remember exactly (maybe 1.36x) but less than 1.375) the CPUID vcore reading is 1.33v with a max of 1.34v. CPU is at 4.16ghz with these settings. I've got a 44x QPI which gives something around the 7ghz area. (Overall I've used similar settings to the linked post except reduced bus, +1 multiplier, slightly reduced vcore and LLC level 1)

Testing:

I've run a LinX test (Problem size 25000, 50 passes):

With LinX I'm still getting max core temps on core #9 of 94deg, lowest core max of 92deg. Hopefully this is ok considering LinX seems to really push the CPU but I'm not too happy with the temps...
Test passed.

Prime95: I'm quite shocked that a core which was hitting 94deg before is now 83deg max! 11deg lower under Prime95! I'm new to LinX and have only ever stress tested with Prime95 before now, I'd always assumed that nothing could heat up a CPU more.

After running Prime95 for about 3hrs I noticed that the CPU core temp on #9 had crept up to 87deg. I then realised that not only had I connected the Noctuas to the motherboard fan header (one being on the CPU header) by design but I'd also left on the LNA adapters so the fans were running slower than they should be. Removed LNAs while Prime 95 still running and got the temp down 3 degrees to 84deg which is .. well... better.

Questions:

1. I've heard that it is more difficult to overclock when you go with 12gb of RAM but I have no idea why this might be the case. Is this true?

2. Which is correct the BIOS voltage setting, the reading from CPUID or neither?

3. My temps are quite high -
As I write this the system is running Prime95 still, core temps are:

Core #0 80
Core #1 77
Core #2 71
Core #8 73
Core #9 81
Core #10 78

Currently the system is pretty stable. Are my temps too high? If they are does anyone have any suggestions how I might get them to drop without losing Ghz?

4. My original attempt pretty much followed the linked post exactly.. But I got blue screen crashes (several times). Any ideas as to why this might be?

5. Lastly. I was pretty surprised that the push fan on the Megahelems snags with the ram. I don't think I can rotate it 90deg because I think the heat sink itself will then snag with the RAM. Has anyone else had this issue and what heat sink/fan combo would you guys suggest if I change to something else? I know I could use a H50-1 but don't like the idea of pushing warm air into my case (not with a 480 in there anyway!)
Welcome and added!

Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonRR View Post
Really appreciate your help. I've now flashed to 7e. Currently retesting with previous settings but lower vcore and lower QPI. I've tried:
1.33750 vcore
1.31500 QPI
But LinX bombed with an error without a single pass. (No blue screen tho!)

I'm now trying
1.34375 vcore
9 passes completed so far

Temps for the cores are currently lower than yesterday, max is core #9 at 82 deg. Fingers crossed! The temps just might be ok for LinX.

I was very tempted to try watercooling but worry about maintaining it. If computers were meant to have water they'd have fins!

EDIT:
Aaargh LinX stopped with an error after 11 passes but I must be getting close to minimum vcore.
Testing with LLC level 2 rather than upping the vcore.

EDIT2:
Temps are going too high (#9 87deg) with level 2 LLC, going with 1.35000 vcore. LLC level2 gave a CPUID reading of 1.33v. 1.35000 vcore gives a reading of 1.31v.
I would suggest watercooling with this kit. Distilled water, a silver coil, and a drop of biocide and you'll be good to go. It will definitely keep your temps down, prolong the life of your processor, and help in your overclocking.
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I can't really say too much without having a 980.. This 920 doesn't draw that kinda heat.

If you do decide to come over to the wet side, please just say something. If I can do it, anyone can. Instead of a h50, there are many different ways to go.. I actually started with a Danger Den kit, and added a 3x120mm radiator. It was pretty hot here yesterday and I never got out of the upper 30c range. I put compression fittings on, so I would have no worries at all... and all I have had to do in months is add a little coolant to the res. from evaporation.

http://www.dangerden.com/store/

You have a 480 also.. check out the blocks. Those cards on water peak at 50c. That's almost half as hot as air.
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I can't really say too much without having a 980.. This 920 doesn't draw that kinda heat.

If you do decide to come over to the wet side, please just say something. If I can do it, anyone can. Instead of a h50, there are many different ways to go.. I actually started with a Danger Den kit, and added a 3x120mm radiator. It was pretty hot here yesterday and I never got out of the upper 30c range. I put compression fittings on, so I would have no worries at all... and all I have had to do in months is add a little coolant to the res. from evaporation.

http://www.dangerden.com/store/

You have a 480 also.. check out the blocks. Those cards on water peak at 50c. That's almost half as hot as air.
Yes I'm really, really tempted with W/C and know it is waaay better for temps and life of components but I just can't quite get to the point where I am willing to try it
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It's funny you say that.. I felt the same way.. I have modded an acrylic case, with an exchangeable top. One is for air cooling the other for water. I went back to air in the middle of winter, cause water wasn't needed. It's fun, and there is a lot of help around here to get you started if you ever want to.(and lots of video on UTube)

When I am on air however, I have a Dark Knight with push/pull and it does a great job.. Acrylic cases were not made for air cooling though.
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