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Originally Posted by ElGreco View Post
Hi,

I just happen to have the same memory with you... nice performer but be careful when you overclock, OBVIOUSLY not to use the XMP Profile.

When I first built my system I had major cold boot problems which was the result of incompatible PSUs with the UD7. Anyway,... that was my case and could have nothing to do with yours....

All these restarts are programmed automatically to be done by UD7 when it senses an "improper" overclock... and guess what... UD7 "considers" XMP profile1 of our memories as an "overclock".

Now, what I would suggest you to do (even if this is not the solution of your problem) is the following:
1. Check that EuP function is disabled!
2. Check through your bios when you enable the profile 1 of your memory what is the qpi/vtt value you get... it should be according to the profile 1.6v which is way to high and completely unnecessary. If that's the case (1.6v) then adjust the qpi/vtt voltage manual to 1.46v

Give it a try and let us know.
ElGreco / Sissor and other members.

I checked through my BIOS and couldn’t find any “EuP function – to be disabled†(can you confirm that?)
But the most important thing is that I resolved my first problem, thanks to you guys.
With regards to “qpi/vtt value†is this function under?....
1. Advance Voltage Settings/CPU (can you confirm that?)
2. >>>CPU
Load-Line Callibration – [Auto]
CPU Vcore 1.21875V – [Auto]
x Dynamic Vcore (DVID) +0.0000V Auto
QPI/VTT Volting 1.175V – [Auto] (this is the bugger one?)

As you can see, by default, it wasn’t as you said 1.6v but 1.175V.
Under this option I couldn’t find the exact figure like 1.46v.
Only had values like: (1.335V in grey colour as the last value), (1.455V, 1.475V etc. in pink colours), 1.615V, 1.635 in red colours.
So I have chosen the last value in grey colour which is 1.335V and in addition, I went through "jadeface" settings to make sure I will not boil my memory, I left Profile 1 under “Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)†- changed the value to 1.335V under the settings of QPI/VTT Volting - and now the cold boot is O.K. (which I’m very happy from the first step). Also Memory Multiplier left to default “Auto†which was giving me:
“Memory Frequency – 1866.03MHz (14x)â€.

And instead of 7-8-7-20 I have 7-8-7-25 cycle time (tRAS) {snapshots attached) any explanations}.

Now I’m going through the "jadeface" settings to prepare my system to be flying over my house, and I would like to ask you a few questions.

1.Is it a big difference to run memory at 1066MHz and 1866MHz.
2.How to set up a few profiles in BIOS you can Save to CMOS. Say on one profile you can run at 3.5MHz the second at 4.00MHz. I have played around but again something is wrong.
3. In your opinion if I will run my system all the time at 4MHz how much life of the CPU, Motherboard etc. will be shortened (with my above hardware setup)?

I would appreciate your comments to the above.
Garland1964
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Message deleted... See next message for a more detailed answer...
Edited by ElGreco - 9/8/10 at 4:52pm
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>I checked through my BIOS and couldn’t find any “EuP function – to be disabled†(can you confirm that?)

Go to Power Management Setup>ErP Support (used to be EuP support) and select disabled

>But the most important thing is that I resolved my first problem, thanks to you guys.

Nice to hear that your problem is "solved"...

>With regards to “qpi/vtt value†is this function under?....
1. Advance Voltage Settings/CPU (can you confirm that?)
2. >>>CPU
Load-Line Callibration – [Auto]
CPU Vcore 1.21875V – [Auto]
x Dynamic Vcore (DVID) +0.0000V Auto
QPI/VTT Volting 1.175V – [Auto] (this is the bugger one?)


Yes, this is the parameter i refer to.


>As you can see, by default, it wasn’t as you said 1.6v but 1.175V.

It IS 1.6v eventhough it is not shown in Bios! Download easytune 6 from gigabyte and go to the voltages section while in windows... There you will see the actual value of QPI/VTT which is 1.6v (default of the memory xmp profile) and completely unnecessary.

Note: I just checked my memory and I have ver. 2.1 as well, so we should have same XMP Profile1!


>Under this option I couldn’t find the exact figure like 1.46v.
Only had values like: (1.335V in grey colour as the last value), (1.455V, 1.475V etc. in pink colours), 1.615V, 1.635 in red colours.
So I have chosen the last value in grey colour which is 1.335V and in addition, I went through "jadeface" settings to make sure I will not boil my memory, I left Profile 1 under “Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)†- changed the value to 1.335V under the settings of QPI/VTT Volting - and now the cold boot is O.K. (which I’m very happy from the first step). Also Memory Multiplier left to default “Auto†which was giving me:
“Memory Frequency – 1866.03MHz (14x)â€.


Ok, listen.. 1.46 was the lowest voltage value that worked for me with F6 bios in the past giving me stable results. With F7w I just checked it and it seems that I can decrease this value a little further 1.4v. So, test and accept/reject with as much low voltage you can go with QPI/Vtt. This will be "better" for you cpu memory controller. cpu temps etc. Just make sure of 2 things:
1. You do NOT go below 1.15v in QPI/VTT (Since the max difference between DRAM voltage and qpi/vtt should be 0.5v)
2. Make sure that your memories work properly with the new voltage you have selected and are stable (use memtest)

Your move to leave the Profile 1 enabled and just change the Qpi/Vtt voltage is what I have done and is OK as long as you do NOT overclock. In general, for overclocks you have to use manual settings for your memory.


>And instead of 7-8-7-20 I have 7-8-7-25 cycle time (tRAS) {snapshots attached) any explanations}.

Yeap, that's what I have too and has no actual impact in the memory's performance!

>Now I’m going through the "jadeface" settings to prepare my system to be flying over my house, and I would like to ask you a few questions.

1.Is it a big difference to run memory at 1066MHz and 1866MHz.


Yes, there is a difference but do not hesitate to underclock your card a little or loose its timings if needed if this will be the only way to get the desired overclock. I thing that you can achieve the overclocks you like within a range in freq of your memory from 1600-1866... No, the loss within that range is not that important, but you can always use a benchmark utility and test it before you proceed

2.How to set up a few profiles in BIOS you can Save to CMOS. Say on one profile you can run at 3.5MHz the second at 4.00MHz. I have played around but again something is wrong.

Just use the Save to CMOS function (one of the "F" keys, see bottom of the page) and save the Bios profile you like. Then, whenever you want to change profile enter bios and use the Load CMOS key and select the previously created profile you like.

>3. In your opinion if I will run my system all the time at 4MHz how much life of the CPU, Motherboard etc. will be shortened (with my above hardware setup)?

If the way you overclock, results in a stable overclock with "correct" voltage setting (cpu voltage, qpi/vtt voltage etc) and nice temperatures, then there is no problem with the lifespan of the cpu.

What I would check as well would be the Northbridge temps (yes, that little thing that get cool by using SilentPipe passive cooler). I haven't found (searched for) a proper temp monitor utility for that thing yet.

By the way, there is a huge number of leds all over UD7... You will notice that with the default xmp profile 1 you also get red lights near the cpu, showing the very high voltage used by the memory controller. When you lower your qpi/vtt settings this red light will be eliminated. (check manual for more in on diagnostic/monitoring leds of ud7)

BUT, Sometimes the power consumption above a certain overclock is just not worth the performance gain you get. Search the net for graphs about that.

Note: I avoid using Prime95, instead I use OCCT with RealTemp, to check my overclock stability. Prime95 is just too aggressive for the I7s
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ElGreco

What can I say. You are the Man.

I had prepared this replay this morning , before you deleted your first reply, which I saw.
I will prepare my final BIOS configuration for 4.2GHz which I will post shortly.
Is there any chance I can save my BIOS configuration and print it, or do I have to write it manually one by one???

Just checked my settings according to your instructions:

Select XMP-Profile 1
Profile DDR Voltage 1.65V - dim blue letters
Profile QPI Voltage 1.6V - dim blue letters

Advanced Voltage Settings
>QPI/Vtt Voltage 1.175V (White Colour Digits) [1.335V] – (Yellow Colour Digits) I have changed this manually from 1.175V to 1.335V.

Power Management
ErP Supprt – Disabled

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Originally Posted by Garland1964 View Post
ElGreco

What can I say. You are the Man.

I had prepared this replay this morning , before you deleted your first reply, which I saw.
I will prepare my final BIOS configuration for 4.2GHz which I will post shortly.
Is there any chance I can save my BIOS configuration and print it, or do I have to write it manually one by one???

Just checked my settings according to your instructions:

Select XMP-Profile 1
Profile DDR Voltage 1.65V - dim blue letters
Profile QPI Voltage 1.6V - dim blue letters

Advanced Voltage Settings
>QPI/Vtt Voltage 1.175V (White Colour Digits) [1.335V] – (Yellow Colour Digits) I have changed this manually from 1.175V to 1.335V.

Power Management
ErP Supprt – Disabled

Cheers
Hi again!

there is a bios template in the first page of this thread were you will have to add manually i am afraid, your bios settings.

Just a small note... the value of 1.175v (in my case it was 1.15v) is NOT the ACTUAL value utilized by the mobo when in windows. The REAL value would be 1.6v but now that you changed it is the one you chose. By the way, I am surprised that your memories are able to work at such "low" voltage of 1.335... very nice!
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Hi again!

there is a bios template in the first page of this thread were you will have to add manually i am afraid, your bios settings.

Just a small note... the value of 1.175v (in my case it was 1.15v) is NOT the ACTUAL value utilized by the mobo when in windows. The REAL value would be 1.6v but now that you changed it is the one you chose. By the way, I am surprised that your memories are able to work at such "low" voltage of 1.335... very nice!
Finally Finished.

GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7

Garland1964 Settings:


MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)


>>>M.I.T. Current Status [Press Enter]
>>>Advance Frequency Settings [Press Enter]
>>>Advance Memory Settings [Press Enter]
>>>Advance Voltage Settings [Press Enter]
>>>Miscellaneous [Press Enter]


BIOS Version - .....................F7 (light blue colour)
BCLK – ...............................200.05MHz (light blue colour)
CPU Frequency – .................4001.28MHz (light blue colour)
Memory Frequency – ............1600.46 MHz (light blue colour)
Total Memory Size – .............6144MB (light blue colour)
CPU Temperature - ...............49.0 C (light blue colour)
Vcore - ..............................1.312V (light blue colour)
DRAM Voltage - ...................1.584V (light blue colour)


MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)
>>>M.I.T. Current Status
CPU Name Intel (R) Core (TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
CPUID xxxxxxxx QPI Frequency 7201.51 MHz (36 X)
Update Revision xxxxxxxx Uncore Frequency 3400.91 MHz (17 X)
BCLK 200.05MHz Memory Frequency 1600.46MHz ( XX)

CPU Core (s).........................0.............1....... ....2..............3

Turbo Ratio.....................................20...... ......20.........20............20
Non-Turbo Ratio..............................20............. 20........20............20
Turbo Frequences (MHz)..................4001.2......4001.2....4001. 2......4001.2
Non-Turbo Frequences (MHz)...........4001.2......4001.2....4001.2...... 4001.2
Core Temperature (C)......................54............51......... ....53..............49

>>>DIMM(s)....................1................2.. .............3..............4..............5...... ............6

DIMM Slot (MB)...............2048........................... 2048........................2048
Enabled Slot (MB)............2048...........................204 8........................2048
Total Memory Size (MB)....6144

....................tCL...tRCD...tRP...tRAS...tRRD ...tWTP...tRFC...tCMD
Channel A........7.......8.......7.....20........6.......2 3......88.......1
Channel B........7.......8.......7.....20........6.......2 3......88.......1
Channel c........7.......8.......7.....20........6.......2 3......88.......1

MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.)

>>>Advanced Frequency Settings [Enter]

CPU Clock Ratio............................[20x] (can not adjust to 21 – any ideas???)
CPU Frequency.............................4.00(GHz) (200x20) (light blue colour)

>>>Advanced CPU Core Features [Enter]

Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech..............Disabled
CPU Cores Enabled........................ALL
CPU Multi Threading.......................Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................Disabled
C3/C6/C7 State Support.................Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor......................Enabled
CPU EIST Function.........................Enabled
Bi-Directional PROCHOT...................Disabled


QPI Clock Ratio*.........................x36
QPI Link Speed* ...........................7.2(GHz) (light blue colour)
Uncore Clock Ratio.........................x17
Uncore Frequency.........................3400(MHz) (light blue colour)

>>>>Standard Clock Control
Base Clock (BCLK) Control*..............Enabled
BCLK Frequency (MHz)*..................200
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).......Disabled
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)........8.0
Memory Frequency (MHz)................1600 (light blue colour)
PCI Express Frequency (MHz)...........Auto

>>>Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive (mV).......................800
PCI Express Clock Drive (mV).............900
CPU Clock Skew (ps)........................0
IOH Clock Skew (ps).........................0

>>>Advanced Memory Settings [Enter]

Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).........Disabled
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)..........8.0
Memory Frequency (MHz)..............1066...........1600 (light blue colour)
Performance Enhance....................... Standard
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) ...........Quick
...........Profile DDR Voltage 1.5V - (light blue colour) {why value is so low?}
...........Profile QPI Voltage 1.175V - (light blue colour) {why value is so low?}
Channel Interleaving.........................Auto
Rank Interleaving.............................Auto

>>>Channel A, B, & C Timing Settings Sub Menu [Enter]

>>>Channel A, B, & C Standard Timing Control
Cas Latency Time....................7
tRCD......................................8
tRP........................................7
tRAS......................................20


>>>Channel A, B, & C Advanced Timing Control
tRC........................................Auto
tRRD ......................................Auto
tWTR .....................................Auto
tWR........................................Auto
tWTP......................................Auto
tWL........................................Auto
tRFC.......................................Auto
tRTP.......................................Auto
tFAW......................................Auto
Command Rate (CMD) .............. Auto (My memory supports Command Rate 2 – any ideas?)


>>>Channel A, B, & C Misc Timing Control
B2B CAS Delay............................-....Auto
Round Trip Latency................56........Auto


>>>Channel A, B, & C Turnaround Setting [Enter]


>>>Channel A, B, & C Reads Followed By Reads
Different DIMMs...........................Auto
Different Ranks............................Auto
On The Same Rank.......................Auto..........Rank


>>>Channel A, B, & C Writes Followed By Writes
Different DIMMs...........................Auto
Different Ranks............................Auto
On The Same Rank.......................Auto...........Rank


>>>Advanced Voltage Settings [Enter]


>>>CPU Voltages
LoadLine Calibration..............Level 2
CPU Vcore..........................1.21875V........... .1.33750 (first white letters – second yellow)
Dynamic Vcore (DVID) .........+0.00000V Auto (light blue colour)
QPI/VTT Voltage..................1.175V...............1.33 5 (first white letters – second yellow)
CPU PLL..............................1.800V........... ....1.860 (first white letters – second yellow)

>>>MCH/ICH
PCIE..................................1.500V...... ........Auto (first white letters – second yellow)
QPI PLL..............................1.100V........... ...1.100 (first white letters – second yellow)
IOH Core............................1.100V............ ..1.120 (first white letters – second yellow)
ICH I/O..............................1.500V............. .Auto (first white letters – second yellow)
ICH Core............................1.100V............ ..Auto (first white letters – second yellow)

>>>Dram
DRAM Voltage....................1.500V...............1. 600 (first white letters – second yellow)
DRAM Termination...............0.750V...............0.7 80 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-A Data VRef..................0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-B Data VRef..................0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-C Data VRef..................0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-A Address VRef..............0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-B Address VRef..............0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)
Ch-C Address VRef..............0.750V...............0.780 (first white letters – second yellow)



>>>Miscellanneus Settings

Isochronous Support....................Enabled
Virtualization Technology..............Enabled


I would appreciate your comments to the above.
Edited by Garland1964 - 9/10/10 at 11:08pm
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Hi,

I have a question regarding your experience with the marvell driver and sata 3 6/gb. I have a seagate xt sata3 conected at the sata 3 port of the MB and according to windows the write speed gets stable at 30/MBs/sec. This is when I'm copying big directories with several files. I know that being many files instead of just one big file makes it slower, but shouldnt it work way faster?

I've also followed Seagate about creating a partition in the outer ring for faster access (altough main programs are in my SSD).


Do you all experience such slow writing speed?

Thanks a lot and can i jump aboard the club?

M.
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Hi,
...
Do you all experience such slow writing speed?
...
M.
Hi,

I do not thing that your test results are very reliable. The picture below shows the Barracuda XT performance in my PC (SATA3/IDE mode connection) using several file sizes. You will notice that depending on the file size, the performance varies from a lot less than 30MB/s to a lot more than 30MB/s.

Note: The Sata3/IDE connection gives me in general better results than Sata2/AHCI, Sata3/AHCI modes

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Finally Finished.

GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7

Garland’s Settings:
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CPU Clock Ratio............................20 (can not adjust to 21 – any ideas???)

Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech..................Disabled
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I would appreciate your comments to the above.
Hi again,

since I do not consider myself an experienced overclocker, I will not answer your questions above (I am sure there are a couple of things you could optimize further), since I know that there are maaany experienced i7-920 overclockers reading this thread.

Only, regarding your question about CPU clock Ration, if you enable the Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech you will get the 21.
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INTEL X-25M 160GB / BARRACUDA XT 2TB CPU-370 (wc) Windows 7 64bit Ultimate LG 2486L-PF 
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Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
INTEL X-25M 160GB / BARRACUDA XT 2TB CPU-370 (wc) Windows 7 64bit Ultimate LG 2486L-PF 
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Logitech G15 Enermax Revolution85+ 1250w COSMOS Pure Razor 
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Hi,

I do not thing that your test results are very reliable. The picture below shows the Barracuda XT performance in my PC (SATA3/IDE mode connection) using several file sizes. You will notice that depending on the file size, the performance varies from a lot less than 30MB/s to a lot more than 30MB/s.

Note: The Sata3/IDE connection gives me in general better results than Sata2/AHCI, Sata3/AHCI modes
Thanks for the quick reply. I used the same software now and here's the readings bench:



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I cannot test writing speeds with this, sinc I get the "writing is disabled, to enable writing please remove all partitions", which I don't want to do.

Any software you recommend to bench the writing speed?
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256Gb SSD RAID 0 2 * 1.5 TB HDD Win 8.1 Pro x64 ASUS ML248 
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