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Not gonna happen, not with a shorter bus length. 4 ghz proved hard even for the old architecture with the longer bus length and is the whole reasoning they're scrapping the design. They simply couldn't hit higher speeds, so you have to work on efficiency (ops/cycle) instead.
Regardless Im keeping my ol' 550 and then buying one!
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Well I guess its gonna be interesting to say the least, I mean it is gonna be 65nm which would allow for high clocks but then it does have a very short bus length and I believe they reduced the number of stages in the pipeline.....? so that would also reduce clock speeds and another factor to remember is that these are the first chips on this architecture, the first Pentium 4s were in the 1GHz range and now look where they have gone, 3.8GHz and we are OCing them to 4GHz+ every day so I imagine after a few years once this architecture really gets developed and sees some revisions and new steppings then Conroe will truly be the behemoth that Intel wants it to be, though I don't think I can wait any longer, I may have to grab one ASAP because my P4 530 is REALLY showing its age, and once I get a G71.....its all gonna be over for this CPU lol.

EDIT/// Hmm.... I reread the article and read the one at The Inq and it seems as if maybe neoseeker misread The Inq's article OR maybe you are mistaken sccr either way did you guys see those prices? The top of the line model is supposed to be under $550! That is awesome, seems like they are really taking advantage of the 65nm fab process, I mean IF AMD were to keep its prices as they are, that puts the 2.67GHz 2x2MB cache Conroe directly into the price point of the 2x512kb cache AMD X2 4600+ Manchester and under the price of the 2x1MB AMD X2 4800+ (this is from my memory of the last time I saw their prices but that sounds about right, right?) and if Intel's Conroe is clocked higher than either of those CPUs AND does 12 ops/cycle, AMD better pull something out from where the sun don't shine fast!
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i knew amd was all hype, i have never bought into amd's "low temp, high oc" crap, if amd's are so great and so cheap how come its not the tech industry choice?
pentium=stable.reliable.
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i knew amd was all hype, i have never bought into amd's "low temp, high oc" crap, if amd's are so great and so cheap how come its not the tech industry choice?
pentium=stable.reliable.
Some of the largest companies in the world switched over to AMD servers and workstations. Also, there are some that are simply unwilling to change, regardless of facts.....such as yourself.
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The thing that I still don't understand is how Intel can get Conroe to do 12 ops/cycle and still use the traditional fsb. Even though it's clocked a bit higher, wouldn't you expect the same bottlenecks to occur? I mean it's dual core (maybe double core?) and it's doing a lot more per cycle. There's no way that the fsb can keep up with the cores. What's the point of having two cores that is capable of doing a great deal but not feeding it properly? This is where I think AMD's archectiture shines with Hypertransport. Also, once AMD moves to 65nm, it'll make it that much harder for Intel to compete with AMD.
    
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Well I guess its gonna be interesting to say the least, I mean it is gonna be 65nm which would allow for high clocks but then it does have a very short bus length and I believe they reduced the number of stages in the pipeline.....? so that would also reduce clock speeds and another factor to remember is that these are the first chips on this architecture, the first Pentium 4s were in the 1GHz range and now look where they have gone, 3.8GHz and we are OCing them to 4GHz+ every day so I imagine after a few years once this architecture really gets developed and sees some revisions and new steppings then Conroe will truly be the behemoth that Intel wants it to be, though I don't think I can wait any longer, I may have to grab one ASAP because my P4 530 is REALLY showing its age, and once I get a G71.....its all gonna be over for this CPU lol.

EDIT/// Hmm.... I reread the article and read the one at The Inq and it seems as if maybe neoseeker misread The Inq's article OR maybe you are mistaken sccr either way did you guys see those prices? The top of the line model is supposed to be under $550! That is awesome, seems like they are really taking advantage of the 65nm fab process, I mean IF AMD were to keep its prices as they are, that puts the 2.67GHz 2x2MB cache Conroe directly into the price point of the 2x512kb cache AMD X2 4600+ Manchester and under the price of the 2x1MB AMD X2 4800+ (this is from my memory of the last time I saw their prices but that sounds about right, right?) and if Intel's Conroe is clocked higher than either of those CPUs AND does 12 ops/cycle, AMD better pull something out from where the sun don't shine fast!
No, I see where the error was. You read about the Intel processor being released in April and thought it was a Conroe core chip, but it's not. Conroe should hit in the fall.
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i knew amd was all hype, i have never bought into amd's "low temp, high oc" crap, if amd's are so great and so cheap how come its not the tech industry choice?
pentium=stable.reliable.
Tell this too my 37C load Sempron 2800 at 2.4ghz from 1.6ghz. Also tell this to the numerous 939 Opteron owners that got 3.0+ on air cooling stable.
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I have to say that AMD got a long way to catch up with intel \\/

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In year 2004, The Revenue of intel was $34.2 billion USD with 91,000 employees Against $5.85 billion USD Revenue of AMD in 2005 with 18000+ employees...
The AMD market capitalization was around US$13 billion at the end of 2005 & Intel is about $150.5 billion (December 2005).

Still Intel is the best seller in the whole world

Just wait till the quad cores to come, then intel will rule
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I have to say that AMD got a long way to catch up with intel \\/



The AMD market capitalization was around US$13 billion at the end of 2005 & Intel is about $150.5 billion (December 2005).

Still Intel is the best seller in the whole world

Just wait till the quad cores to come, then intel will rule
Your credibility hit the toilet when your figures suggest a 500% revenue growth for the fiscal year of 2004-2005 for Intel. The over 200% you're stating for AMD is also rediculous. Would you like to reveal your source?
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Your credibility hit the toilet when your figures suggest a 500% revenue growth for the fiscal year of 2004-2005 for Intel. The over 200% you're stating for AMD is also rediculous. Would you like to reveal your source?
"Wikipedia ALL THE WAY", Hey man no need to get angry @ me. I'm just saying that intel is my choice...

Hey man Market Capitalization refers simply to the value of a company, that is intels $150.5 billion & AMD US$13 billion....

& the Revenue is defined as the amount of money that a company actually receives during a specific period(Intels $34.2 billion USD in 2005 Against AMD $5.85 billion Revenue in 2005)
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