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post #1151 of 1980
Excuse me?? When did this "rule" come about? I didn't see anything in the team folding rules saying the first guy loses all his points just because he gets replaced.

So let me get this straight. A guy folds 4000 points in 2 weeks. And you replace him with a guy that folded 28,000 points. You gain 24,000 points??????

That doesn't make any sense! The ONLY fair way is to keep the points from the first guy. And add the points from the second guy.

I doubt seriously any team would want to be surprised by another team adding a guy with 24,000 extra points and having those points added on.
    
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post #1152 of 1980
Ok, think of it like this, when a baseball player trades teams he keeps his RBA's and HR and all that other junk right. Because they are his stats, well the points are our stats so just because you trade teams they don't stay with the team, the go with the player.

Best way I can think of to say it.
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post #1153 of 1980
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Excuse me?? When did this "rule" come about? I didn't see anything in the team folding rules saying the first guy loses all his points just because he gets replaced.

So let me get this straight. A guy folds 4000 points in 2 weeks. And you replace him with a guy that folded 28,000 points. You gain 24,000 points??????

That doesn't make any sense! The ONLY fair way is to keep the points from the first guy. And add the points from the second guy.

I doubt seriously any team would want to be surprised by another team adding a guy with 24,000 extra points and having those points added on.
I couldn't agree with you more here (in the bold)

I don't agree with you here (underneath). This would create a lot more confusion than anything.

This is what I have in mind:

Say Folder A gets 4,000 points in the first week and then quits. Folder B replaces him and should "start-off" where Folder A's points were, regardless of whether or not he has 4,000 points already. As soon as Folder B "passes" the points Folder A had at the time of being part of the Team then Folder A's points are entirely replaced with Folder B's. Lets say that Folder A gets 20,000 points and is replaced in the middle of the month by Folder B. Folder B only has 5,000 points so far in the month; thus, it would only be fair if Folder A's points were accounted for "At the end of the month", regardless of how many points Folder B was able to produce unless he passes the 20,000 points mark.

This approach might be a little bit more fair as you're not completely "omitting" the points of Folder A in the event of him/her being replaced. Unless the replacement already has more points then Folder A, would Folder A's points not be counted. In the event that the replacement falls short of producing the same amount of points Folder A did before leaving the Team, would his points be counted rather then the replacements.

The reason I don't agree with the "addition" of points between Folder A and Folder B is simply because it exceeds the 4 members per Team and 8 core max cap. I think that the "alternative" proposed above would make more sense in the case of their being a replacement. Please leave your thoughts and comments
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post #1154 of 1980
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Ok, think of it like this, when a baseball player trades teams he keeps his RBA's and HR and all that other junk right. Because they are his stats, well the points are our stats so just because you trade teams they don't stay with the team, the go with the player.

Best way I can think of to say it.
That's not a good analogy racer. Here's why. You would also have to take away all the points that baseball player scored for his "team". Because that's what happened to us. Sure a man keeps his points at Stanford. (RBA's. and HR's) But you would also have to subtract all his points he scored for the team he played on. If you notice the first update, verses the second. That's exactly what happened to us. Scores were rewritten. Can you imagine all the scores in MLB being rewritten just because a guy quits a team or moves to another? Get my drift?

Best of luck to all the teams! The IMPORTANT thing to remember. Stanford wins. Research wins.
    
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post #1155 of 1980
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Best of luck to all the teams! The IMPORTANT thing to remember. Stanford wins. Research wins.
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post #1156 of 1980
As a team captain, I tend to try to replace members at the end of a month, for a fresh start the following month. I tell them to start folding the around he last couple days of the month, and then I email or pm Taeric of the change the beginning of the new month of competition, so their points will start counting.

If a teamate calls it quits before the month ends, u need to tell yourself would it be worth jepardizing his points to add another member immediately or keep the former teamates points till u add your new member the first week of the new month.

It is a numbers game for the team captain to decide what is best. Taeric's way seems to be the easiest solution for his extremely busy schedule. He is a very experienced folder and I am sure if their was a better way of doing things he would do it. I have used this way to my teams advantage and lost a few points as well, cause I had to replace a member quickly. It is just something I learned to deal with and work around like all the rest of the folders here. Just my .
post #1157 of 1980
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Originally Posted by JadeMiner View Post
That's not a good analogy racer. Here's why. You would also have to take away all the points that baseball player scored for his "team". Because that's what happened to us. Sure a man keeps his points at Stanford. (RBA's. and HR's) But you would also have to subtract all his points he scored for the team he played on. If you notice the first update, verses the second. That's exactly what happened to us. Scores were rewritten. Can you imagine all the scores in MLB being rewritten just because a guy quits a team or moves to another? Get my drift?

Best of luck to all the teams! The IMPORTANT thing to remember. Stanford wins. Research wins.
You are right and as I said I understand where you are coming from and I see where tearic is coming from, heck you try to keep up with the stats from week to week when you have 10 people popping in and out of teams.

I used that analogy on the player statistic side not the ball teams side, when a player leaves a team he doesn't forfiet those points he scored to the team he takes them with him as a record of his induvidual scoring record. Your right though that is a bad analogy due to the fact as you said the team still keeps those points as well, otherwise how could they lose games they already won. There is no good analogy for it in the end.

I know you all are mad about it but we are trying to keep it simple hence why Tearic said whoever is an active folder on that team at the time the stats are taken is who's points count. I would be mad too, well no I wouldn't I could care less as having more important things to worry about but I would be annoyed a bit I think.


The improtant thing though is as you said at the end. Folding is for a good cause and all the points in the end still go to Stanford.


I figure Tearic will go through and define the Team folding rules a bit more now.
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post #1158 of 1980
My only problem is that the rule wasn't posted or we weren't informed of the rule. I've NEVER heard of it before. If I had, I would have kept Johan on our team until the end of the month, and we'd still be in first.

Like Jade said, Stanford wins reguardless of what happens on this site. Not winning a little competition on OCN isn't gonna make me (or anyone hopefully) stop folding. I'm just a little bitter about the rule not being posted anywhere.

Hopefully Taeric will append the rules post.

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post #1159 of 1980
Ok. After much thought. Here's my 2 cents worth. First and foremost the team competition is designed to get people involved, and to have fun. Oftentimes people will try twice as hard if they are a part of a team. And that's a great thing.

We all know that Taeric is very busy. And we all appreciate all of the time he devotes to running the competition. Thanks to gibsonnova74 for volunteering to help. And was selected as the F@H Section Editor. This will relieve 50% of the load off of Taeric.

So I suppose they will decide on the rules as far as Team Folding and replacements. Once again we need to remember, this is for the cause. Win or lose we are all winners.

Here is my proposals for the future.

First of all they need to decide if folding on 4 cores on a quad is allowed. Most guys have at least 1 or 2 quads on their team and are splitting their folding to 2 seperate names. I propose an increase from 8 to 12 cores (or possibly 10). This would greatly increase the output from OCN and attract quad owners to the team competition.
Please post your thoughts on a core increase.

Now comes the issue of replacement folder(s). I watched a team that had 2 dedicated folders that were tearing it up. But the other 2 hardly contributed at all. That always hurts the moral of the 2 that are trying so hard. The team captain should have the option of replacing them. Then at least they'd still have a chance to score high or even come in first.
And also it happens that motherboards give out. Hardware burns out. RAM and CPU's give out. And people cannot possibly contribute. I propose they able to be replaced.

But here's the deal.......they can only be replaced after 2 weeks. And only ONE replacement per team. This will cut down on overhead and save Taeric and Gibson time and effort in calculating totals.

I am talking to all teams. And all team captains also. This "rule" where you take a guy that folded 4000 points and replace him with a guy that was folding solo and scored 28,000 points in two weeks, so 24,000 points were instantly added to that team should be tossed out the window. It would be unfair to any team to bring in a "ringer".

So it comes down to 3 different scenarios.

1. Absolutely no replacement for any reason.
1 or 2 guys do nothing. Tough luck. A guy breaks down. That's the way it goes.

2. You are allowed ONE replacement per month. You had a guy only score 5000 points and is replaced. You bring in a guy that has turned in 28,000 points. All those points are added to that team. That team instantly sees a net gain of 23,000 points.

3. You are allowed ONE replacement in a month. For any reason. The person never contributes. Someone breaks down. Or simply quits. You are allowed that SINGLE replacement.
The update should only need to happen after 2 weeks. If a person scored 4000 points. It shows on the update. You replace him with a person that scored 30,000 points all by himself. That team still only earned 4000 points for that first 2 weeks for that slot. (not 30,000. That the guy wasn't even a member of that team)

In team folding if the first person scores 4000 points in 2 weeks. That team has 4000 points for that slot. The replacement allowed for that team comes in and scores 28,000 points. That slot scored 32,000 points combined. No points are ever subtracted. No points are never added.

The 4 man, 8 core rule is never broken. Because one guy simply replaced another.

I really believe this is the way to go. And the fairest for all teams.

If anybody has any suggestions as to the fairest way to score the teams. And the easiest for Taeric and Gibson to keep track of and add up. Please feel free to post your suggestions in this forum. This was simply my 2 cents worth. Thank you.

And best of luck to all the teams for May. And for June. And remember when we are helping to find a cure for these diseases. We are all winners.

And thanks to Taeric, and to Gibson in the future, for volunteering to make this such a fun and rewarding event. And they better understand. They might be #2 and #3 in points right now for OCN. But someday we are gonna pass them
    
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post #1160 of 1980
I hate the idea of quads, simply put I don't have one, don't have the money for one. If teams could have 10 cores that means teams without quads would just lose(ie the team I am on), in a year or two when quads are used fully, sure we can change the rule. But for now quads are not the majority so leave them be.

I see your point, but its seems to be based on your team being hurt by this unannounced rule. I think one switch is foolish, what happens if two stop folding? You just wait 60 days to be competitive, I think there should definately be some common sense here. If your pulling people every week because you don't like the numbers they are producing then obviously I would hope Taeric would kick you in the head and say no more.

I think if it isn't broke then don't fix it, its a minor issue that now everyone knows about. Lets just move forward with this new knowledge. Yes someone could abuse it, but again I believe the mods would notice and shut it down if someone was using it to their advantage.

My 1/2 cent.
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