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Hi guys have been overclocking for a while now and think it's about time to make the plunge into water cooling, but before i go out and start buying parts willly nilly i've got a few questions to ask.

First and foremost what is everybodys view on the best water cooling soloution?

Second what are the temp differences between a good water system against a good air system

Third can you mix and match between manufacturers?, I ask this because I need to cool the mosfets on my motherboard (asus A8N sli deluxe) as I have recently volt modded my motherboard and the only company i can find that make a water cooling block for the mosfets is alpha cool.

Thanks for all your help as usual guys
Cheers
Chris
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Originally Posted by chrisjmoss
Hi guys have been overclocking for a while now and think it's about time to make the plunge into water cooling, but before i go out and start buying parts willly nilly i've got a few questions to ask.

First and foremost what is everybodys view on the best water cooling soloution?

Second what are the temp differences between a good water system against a good air system

Third can you mix and match between manufacturers?, I ask this because I need to cool the mosfets on my motherboard (asus A8N sli deluxe) as I have recently volt modded my motherboard and the only company i can find that make a water cooling block for the mosfets is alpha cool.

Thanks for all your help as usual guys
Cheers
Chris
Good to see you ask.
Now, the best you can possibly do depends a lot on your budget. Throw us some numbers and we will begin to outline a good system. Also, you must know that you can go for huge radiators that take up a lot of space, smaller ones that take up less space, heater cores which perform great but look a little worse, systems that are quiet or loud, etc.
So before we list anything drastic, please provide us with this info:
1. How much are you willing to pay?
2. Do you want an internal setup or external? (The performance difference is non existent)
3. Do you want it to look excellent, good, or do you even care (effects how much you spend really)
4. What case are you planning to use? Do you have any free 5.25”/3.5” bays
5. Do you want a quiet setup, or louder with better performance (Depends all on the fans)
6. Do you care to spend ~$50+ on non-conductive fluid? (Prevent leaks from being as hazardous.)

In terms of raw temperatures, a good air setup may get close to a decent water setup, but the water will usually be quieter and handle much more heat.

It is fine to mix and match, so long as you choose 1/2" ID tubing. The Alpha Cool may not be, and if it is, we will get to that later. 1/2" yields the best performance period.

Hope to help soon.

I see you are in the UK. Just give us yanks a little while longer to find you parts.
Here is a good kit you can look at.
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Ooo I get this funy tingly feeling when i start thinking about new stuff for my computer.

1. I've probably got about £150-200 to spend
2. Not really bothered about internal/external
3. Looks arn't a problem either, i'm not into black lights and neon tubing.
4. My case is an antec sonata 2 http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=93403 it has two spare 5.25 and 2 spare 3.5 (+ another 2 3.5 but they are rails)
5. Noise I don't really want a jet engine, but i'm not sure whether something quiet / passive would give me the performance I would like.
6. Non conductive fluid is a funny one, because in theory if you do everything correct then you shouldn't need it, but i suppose it might be nice to have piece of mind.

For me the major factors are
Heat removal cause it has a direct link to overclocking
Ability to set it up in a parrallel (Series just doesn;t make sense to me)
and the ability to acommodate a block for the MOSFETs on my ASUS A8N SLi deluxe, cause i think they are causing vdroop / instability

Thanks for all your Help
Cheers
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After looking around the UK stores for a little while, the kit listed above will get you the best value. Just add one of these to your loop. I suggest the MAZE 4 Bronze if they cannot stock the StandardProfile block by the time you buy. Maybe look into the NV78 blocks, which are not too much better than the regular MAZE blocks. They just add the memory cooling option.
They even sell the AlphaCool blocks there, so it should be no problem. Buy the 1/4" NPT 1/2" Barb here to get the block in-line with your system.
Good luck!
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That kit that Sun linked is great. It's basically everything we would recommend and its alot easier to do the swiftech kits in the UK because of availability issues.

If you decide you do want a MAZE 4 Acetal I've got a brand spanking new one that I'd be willing to ship over to you for quite a bit cheaper then 35 pounds. It's got 1/2" fittings and the proper mounting for your card. Email me at impaledonastick at gmail.com if you are interested.
    
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