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Sony is trying to replace it with UMD, with some success unfortunately thanks to the PSP (who the hell is buying all these UMD movies?!?)
Exactly whenever I see more umd's come out I'm wondering how in the hell they have a big enough market for it. Sony must be losing tons of money on umd. Now they're coming out with music umds.
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Exactly whenever I see more umd's come out I'm wondering how in the hell they have a big enough market for it. Sony must be losing tons of money on umd. Now they're coming out with music umds.


I beg to differ

In my English class, last friday, we has the day off. We were told "electronics are ok" by my teacher. Allmost instanly 8 of the 30 kids in the class wip out their psp. NONE of them play games. 5 of the 8 were waching movies and 3 were listing to music and/or browsing the web. To say their movies don't sell is not true and for the people that like to listen to music but are stuck with 256mb would love music umds.
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Who the hell listens to music on a psp? I have an ipod (like a lot of people who have psps) so what would posses me put that down and use the psp?

How do you know they were watching umds? My freind just uploads movies on his psp, and so do I. I only have one umd movie, the punisher, I still have it because gamecrazy won't let me trade it in.
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People who spend 15+ dollars on UMD movies need to reevaluate their spending habits. There is not one movie that I would want to watch more than once on that little screen. Especially since most of the movies are crap.

Any one up for $28.95 for the hilarious and timeless "Are we there yet?"

Every person I know who owns a psp or ds never plays it. People are better off with ipods and a gameboy.
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I beg to differ

In my English class, last friday, we has the day off. We were told "electronics are ok" by my teacher. Allmost instanly 8 of the 30 kids in the class wip out their psp. NONE of them play games. 5 of the 8 were waching movies and 3 were listing to music and/or browsing the web. To say their movies don't sell is not true and for the people that like to listen to music but are stuck with 256mb would love music umds.
Like 20 of the 30 kids in my class have iPods
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Allmost instanly 8 of the 30 kids in the class wip out their psp. NONE of them play games. 5 of the 8 were waching movies and 3 were listing to music and/or browsing the web.
Well, I have to believe they do play games on their PSP. Despite Sony's marketing, people buy these things to play games first and foremost. The fact that the kids in your class did not do so that day isn't really a telling indicator.

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To say their movies don't sell is not true and for the people that like to listen to music but are stuck with 256mb would love music umds.
It is true that UMDs are selling, that was my point. I don't understand WHY they are selling. For movies, only an idiot would buy a UMD. You can only watch it on a PSP, vs a DVD that can be viewed on any DVD player or PC; or ripped and uploaded to a PSP memory strick for viewing (if you learn how, of course, it's not a simple, drag-and-drop operation). And UMDs cost 25-50% more than a DVD!

Music UMDs are even stupider. The target audience for a PSP is the same as that for an iPod, young and digitally savvy. These folks are not going to buy music on a proprietary disc usable only on a PSP; they are going to do digital downloads or rip a CD. And no whining about 256MB memory sticks; for the price of three UMDs you can buy a 1GB memory stick and upload a dozen CDs. Anyone not smart enough to figure out that math is not smart enough to be trusted with a $250 PSP, in my book.

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Who the hell listens to music on a psp? I have an ipod (like a lot of people who have psps) so what would posses me put that down and use the psp?
If you have an iPod, you're right. I don't have an iPod though, a dedicated MP3 player is not something I would get enough use out of to justify the cost. So I do use my PSP for audio on the rare occasion that I want portable music. Not very often though, generally I only load it up with MP3s for road trips.
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Companies are depending on trends to keep products like umds selling. They think that if one person buys one, then all their friends will buy them. I think it's our materialistic world that keeps crappy ideas like this afloat.
     
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Companies are depending on trends to keep products like umds selling. They think that if one person buys one, then all their friends will buy them. I think it's our materialistic world that keeps crappy ideas like this afloat.
Very good point, the "keeping up with the Jones's" thing is very strong with personal electronics. It's not enough these days for kids to have personal MP3 players, they throw a hissy fit if its not a genuine iPod. Kind of like designer jeans in the 80s, but a lot more expensive!

But if that's what Sony is thinking, then we're back to the arrogance thing again. First, for music: if they think they are going to knock the iPod off the top of the hill with UMDs, that borders on retarded, not arrogant. That ship has sailed and Apple has beaten the pants off of everyone. Second, for movies: if this is their goal, then they are eating their own lunch. By trying to make both Blu-Ray and UMD the "next big thing", they would be competing against themselves and setting up one (if not both) to fail.
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Very good point, the "keeping up with the Jones's" thing is very strong with personal electronics. It's not enough these days for kids to have personal MP3 players, they throw a hissy fit if its not a genuine iPod. Kind of like designer jeans in the 80s, but a lot more expensive!

But if that's what Sony is thinking, then we're back to the arrogance thing again. First, for music: if they think they are going to knock the iPod off the top of the hill with UMDs, that borders on retarded, not arrogant. That ship has sailed and Apple has beaten the pants off of everyone. Second, for movies: if this is their goal, then they are eating their own lunch. By trying to make both Blu-Ray and UMD the "next big thing", they would be competing against themselves and setting up one (if not both) to fail.
From an engineer's stand point, multifunctionality is a major aspect in any kind of design. I took an introductory design class during my sophmore year and one of the major things that was pushed is fitting more into a small package. Look at cars for example, many have TVs and DVD players in them, as well as high quality speaker systems. A car is for driving and yet other things not directly tied into the actual driving are placed into the car. Look at the iPod too, it was originally for music, but now they added video. Why? The answer is convience. It is convenient to have "more" in one thing. It isn't necessarily better or more functional (watching movies on a iPod screen is not the best way to watch movies), but it is a nice feature to have.

So what's the problem, you might ask? The problem is that adding extra features tends to cheapen other aspects of any product. Why? Because for example, people didn't want to pay more for colored iPod screens, or for the video function and Apple knew this. So instead of having the tocuh wheel, they made it a click wheel. They went from electronic to mechanical. Electronic components have a vastly better lifespan compared to mechanical. In otherwords, Apple cheapened the iPod to get the extra functionality.

Let me give another example, going back to cars. Adding TV's and DVD players means that less time may be put into other aspects of the car such as the engine and such. It also means that the seat design is limited to necessary placement of the TV and DVD players, meaning that the most comfortable seating arrangement may not be the one that is used.

So what the HELL does this have to do with video games, the PSP, or the PS3? EVERYTHING! Take for example the PSP and the the fact that it can play MP3's and UMDs. Somewhere along the line, some functionality was dropped... something that actually had to do with gaming. Even if it was simply extra time and money that could have been put into longer battery life or even more processing power. You get convenience at the price of necessity. Same goes with the PS3, as more and more effort is dumped into making the graphics better, improvements in game play are dropped.

And yet people still inexplicably buy into the UMD movies and such, knowing that it was more of convience rather than a necessity. Seems odd, but the answer should be clear. In order to justify the extra functionality, people will use it inspite of its flaws. UMD movies are not practical is the least (same as iPod movies) when compared to say a portable DVD player. But people buy them because you have to justify buying a gaming system that has that functionality. I mean, and lets be honest, the PSP game line up is pretty lackluster. There are some good puzzle games like Mercury and Lumines, and proven franchises like GTA and such keep the line up acceptable, but to justify paying 300 bucks for a system, you better damn well use the music player and get the UMD movies. It is a matter of people conviencing themselves that they got what they paid for.

EDIT: Sorry for the poor grammar and spelling, I just got out of class and I need a nap, but I wanted to post this before I do.
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How the hell did we get on the subject of PSPs and IPODs. I mean this is all well and good but i thought this conversation was about the PS3 relese date?
Anyways I really do believe that the PS3 will come out this spring and i hope they do to. I do agree with the earlier comment about the XBOX360 only being bought for Halo 3 and I think that PS3 will have plenty of titles to get the price covered. Such as KILLZONE 2 and Kingdom Hearts 2, I think that if PS3 releses titles with as much antisapation as these titles then Sony and PlayStation will be fine (Yes I know they are under the same corperation).
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