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If I had to go free, I'd probably use MSE. I personally have used Eset for several years now and love it. You get a discount for 2-year subscriptions, and you can knock about $10 off that the next time you renew.
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My college actually got affected by this. Constant restarts. I found it funny personally.
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umm who showed you the malware kingdom? Trojans ARE classified as virus...

Anyway, that point aside, McAfee is geared towards mostly people who need stealth ports (which their firewall does pretty decently) and those that want a quick and relatively cheap antivirus. (I got 3 years for my girlfriend - who can't even install a printer - for just 50$... so no complaints from me cuz it was cheap and effective).

For people saying that free is just as good, I beg to differ. Most of the free ones catch between 4 and 20% less viruses...
Honestly, if you want something really good, you gotta get Nod32 by Eset...

:edit:

Also, malwarebytes targets the minority of viruses, the ones that MOST antiviruses miss... I've had to clean up PCs with Nod32 on it using malwarebytes even for those small discrete little *****s. The only way to be 100% safe is to surf in a virtual machine. Mind you, there's an anti-malware out there that does that for people too lazy or unknowledgable to go about installing and setting up a virtual machine... but it costs money. Mind you, it's 100%* efficient!!!!

*since all you have to do is wipe the vitual machine and do it over again, your machine never gets targetted.
Download AVG Free then say that McAfee is better, McAfee sucks AVG (the free version) is great and works perfectly, i havent had a virus for probably a year, my sister who has to use McAfee i have to reload her computer after each semester of college because she has so many virus' one time i scanned it with AVG and it found 1200 infected files McAfee found 0
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umm who showed you the malware kingdom? Trojans ARE classified as virus...
FYI. Trojans are not classified as a virus.


Computer viruses are small software programs that are designed to spread from one computer to another and to interfere with computer operation.

A virus might corrupt or delete data on your computer, use your e-mail program to spread itself to other computers, or even erase everything on your hard disk.

A Trojan, sometimes referred to as a Trojan horse, is non-self-replicating malware that appears to perform a desirable function for the user but instead facilitates unauthorized access to the user's computer system.

Operations that could be performed by a hacker on a target computer system include:

Use of the machine as part of a botnet (i.e. to perform spamming or to perform Distributed Denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks)
Data theft (e.g. passwords, credit card information, etc.)
Installation of software (including other malware)
Downloading or uploading of files
Modification or deletion of files
Keystroke logging
Viewing the user's screen
Wasting computer storage space
Crashing the computer
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AVG and McAfee both suck... also this happened to AVG 2 years ago.. when the automatic update removed the user32.dll file

http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/10...-windows-file/
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AVG and McAfee both suck... also this happened to AVG 2 years ago.. when the automatic update removed the user32.dll file

http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/10...-windows-file/
They do suck.

AVG didn't find any viruses when i had a few and it deleted my .VHD because of security tool.

I switched to the MS Essentials and it found what AVG didn't.
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lol i called up our campus Resnet on behalf of a customer and complained about how the new avast isn't recognized as an anti virus by Cisco Clean Access (it doesnt recognize MSE either). Their response was that they recommend installing McAfee, which is available free on their website. They plan on updating Cisco in the summer.


i hope this changes their minds.
 
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hmmm...I'll stick with Norton...had them since I bought my first computer, never had a problem... *knocks on wood*
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Download AVG Free then say that McAfee is better, McAfee sucks AVG (the free version) is great and works perfectly, i havent had a virus for probably a year, my sister who has to use McAfee i have to reload her computer after each semester of college because she has so many virus' one time i scanned it with AVG and it found 1200 infected files McAfee found 0
AVG sucks more than McAfee does. if you want a good free one you are looking at Avast or MSE. AVG does not come close. You probably had a compromised McAfee install. It's designed for lamens and works just fine for them. Turn on stealth ports and you're good to go.

I have been removing viruses by hand for a good 9 years now. I don't use McAfee because I don't need to.

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FYI. Trojans are not classified as a virus.


Computer viruses are small software programs that are designed to spread from one computer to another and to interfere with computer operation.

A virus might corrupt or delete data on your computer, use your e-mail program to spread itself to other computers, or even erase everything on your hard disk.

A Trojan, sometimes referred to as a Trojan horse, is non-self-replicating malware that appears to perform a desirable function for the user but instead facilitates unauthorized access to the user's computer system.

Operations that could be performed by a hacker on a target computer system include:

Use of the machine as part of a botnet (i.e. to perform spamming or to perform Distributed Denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks)
Data theft (e.g. passwords, credit card information, etc.)
Installation of software (including other malware)
Downloading or uploading of files
Modification or deletion of files
Keystroke logging
Viewing the user's screen
Wasting computer storage space
Crashing the computer
Trojans are a sub-category of Viruses. Trojans can be programmed to do multiple things; one thing that is easily accommodated is making it self-replicate. It's literally just a paragraph of code.

You, my friend, are way too immersed in the media's definition of things. Start checking out black hat, red hat, and white hat communities and see what they say.

A virus is a very large category. Then there's spyware, which is also another category. Malware encompasses both and then some erroneous contributors.

And if you want to argue more semantics, I'll add one other point:

Depending on the community, different things can fall under different categories. I, personally, have been red hat (sometimes known as grey hat). If you want to go with the black hat definitions, by all means, but once again, arguing semantics is pointless. AVs are designed to catch viruses INCLUDING but not limited to TROJANS. As such, by the database's definition of viruses, trojans are ALSO included.

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They do suck.

AVG didn't find any viruses when i had a few and it deleted my .VHD because of security tool.

I switched to the MS Essentials and it found what AVG didn't.
MSE is a wonderful free AV. Anyone that contests that has very little experience with other free AVs.

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hmmm...I'll stick with Norton...had them since I bought my first computer, never had a problem... *knocks on wood*

If you're using Norton 3.0 or earlier I highly recommend either switching AV or going with Norton 4.0. 4.0 is the only version of Norton I think has actually been a half-decent AV. Especially if you're using the 360 version! I've tested many AVs for the companies and have found that when I install a batch of 10000 viruses that Norton catches less than McAfee when McAfee has internet on, and the same amount when internet is off.

Nod32 is the only one I will stand by as an awesome AV. It catches most viruses (sub-categories included).
Edited by Bloodfire - 4/23/10 at 9:32am
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umm who showed you the malware kingdom? Trojans ARE classified as virus...

Anyway, that point aside, McAfee is geared towards mostly people who need stealth ports (which their firewall does pretty decently) and those that want a quick and relatively cheap antivirus. (I got 3 years for my girlfriend - who can't even install a printer - for just 50$... so no complaints from me cuz it was cheap and effective).

For people saying that free is just as good, I beg to differ. Most of the free ones catch between 4 and 20% less viruses...

Honestly, if you want something really good, you gotta get Nod32 by Eset...

:edit:

Also, malwarebytes targets the minority of viruses, the ones that MOST antiviruses miss... I've had to clean up PCs with Nod32 on it using malwarebytes even for those small discrete little *****s. The only way to be 100% safe is to surf in a virtual machine. Mind you, there's an anti-malware out there that does that for people too lazy or unknowledgable to go about installing and setting up a virtual machine... but it costs money. Mind you, it's 100%* efficient!!!!

*since all you have to do is wipe the vitual machine and do it over again, your machine never gets targetted.
Trojans are absolutely, positively not classified as a virus. They are two completely different categories of attacks.

Get an education here.

Also, I have yet to encounter a trojan that Malwarebytes has not been able to efficiently remove within a reasonable timeframe after zero-day. The guys who make the program are great, and the customer service is completely on-point.

My organization was ground zero for an attack several years ago and we sent the information in to Symantec, McAfee, and Malwarebytes... guess who had an automated fix for us the fastest? We didn't even have an enterprise version of their product -- they did the work pro bono since we are a government entity (the City of Jacksonville). I can't speak highly enough about the company.

If you don't know something, it's ok to bring up the point and ask the question. It's not OK to be snarky when you have bad information.

The least you could have done is Google "Difference between a trojan and a virus".
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