Originally Posted by Kevlo
Download AVG Free then say that McAfee is better, McAfee sucks AVG (the free version) is great and works perfectly, i havent had a virus for probably a year, my sister who has to use McAfee i have to reload her computer after each semester of college because she has so many virus' one time i scanned it with AVG and it found 1200 infected files McAfee found 0
AVG sucks more than McAfee does. if you want a good free one you are looking at Avast or MSE. AVG does not come close. You probably had a compromised McAfee install. It's designed for lamens and works just fine for them. Turn on stealth ports and you're good to go.
I have been removing viruses by hand for a good 9 years now. I don't use McAfee because I don't need to.
Originally Posted by BlitzNwl
FYI. Trojans are not classified as a virus.
Computer viruses are small software programs that are designed to spread from one computer to another and to interfere with computer operation.
A virus might corrupt or delete data on your computer, use your e-mail program to spread itself to other computers, or even erase everything on your hard disk.
A Trojan, sometimes referred to as a Trojan horse, is non-self-replicating malware that appears to perform a desirable function for the user but instead facilitates unauthorized access to the user's computer system.
Operations that could be performed by a hacker on a target computer system include:
Use of the machine as part of a botnet (i.e. to perform spamming or to perform Distributed Denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks)
Data theft (e.g. passwords, credit card information, etc.)
Installation of software (including other malware)
Downloading or uploading of files
Modification or deletion of files
Viewing the user's screen
Wasting computer storage space
Crashing the computer
Trojans are a sub-category of Viruses. Trojans can be programmed to do multiple things; one thing that is easily accommodated is making it self-replicate. It's literally just a paragraph of code.
You, my friend, are way too immersed in the media's definition of things. Start checking out black hat, red hat, and white hat communities and see what they say.
A virus is a very large category. Then there's spyware, which is also another category. Malware encompasses both and then some erroneous contributors.
And if you want to argue more semantics, I'll add one other point:
Depending on the community, different things can fall under different categories. I, personally, have been red hat (sometimes known as grey hat). If you want to go with the black hat definitions, by all means, but once again, arguing semantics is pointless. AVs are designed to catch viruses INCLUDING but not limited to TROJANS. As such, by the database's definition of viruses, trojans are ALSO included.
Originally Posted by BlitzNwl
They do suck.
AVG didn't find any viruses when i had a few and it deleted my .VHD because of security tool.
I switched to the MS Essentials and it found what AVG didn't.
MSE is a wonderful free AV. Anyone that contests that has very little experience with other free AVs.
Originally Posted by behickma
hmmm...I'll stick with Norton...had them since I bought my first computer, never had a problem... *knocks on wood*
If you're using Norton 3.0 or earlier I highly recommend either switching AV or going with Norton 4.0. 4.0 is the only version of Norton I think has actually been a half-decent AV. Especially if you're using the 360 version! I've tested many AVs for the companies and have found that when I install a batch of 10000 viruses that Norton catches less than McAfee when McAfee has internet on, and the same amount when internet is off.
Nod32 is the only one I will stand by as an awesome AV. It catches most viruses (sub-categories included).Edited by Bloodfire - 4/23/10 at 9:32am