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^This is interesting... I bought what should be a 1333mhz set.... I'll have to dig them out and see the sticker.
They're rated 1.5v.
Edit: Sticker says they're 1333mhz sticks. Also says 7-7-7 @ 1.65v. OCZ's website said 1.5, lol I'm not sure what to make of this whole CPU-Z showing lower freq. than what it SHOULD default at.

When you adjust the FSB up and down the RAM freq also changes.

You obviously have it set lower in the bios.

you always times the frequency in cpuz by 2 to get your actual running speed.

Where does it say 777 1.65? on the RAM itself?

I would believe what you are seeing on the RAM not the website.
Edited by Casey Ryback - 2/26/12 at 9:13pm
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NB WAS at 2500 when OC'd actually. This is screen shot of default settings in BIOS to show default of RAM.
And I ninja edited on you. The sticker do say 1333 and it also said "7-7-7 @ 1.65 volt". I've actually been having it set at 1.5v. Whoops! In my defense, OCZ's website said they're rated 1.5v. It's the whole reason I got them...
But I don't understand... they're 1333mhz sticks... default is 1070?

When adjusting the FSB the RAM freq goes up/down with it.

in the bios there is a setting i forget now but it's the RAM frequency setting.

easy enough to find it should show different frequency settings.

but let's leave it how it is for now as we're aiming for 4GHz.

give it at least 1.6 on the RAM I think.

try loosening timings in the RAM section of your bios as i described.

keep NB at 2500. if NB voltage is stock bump it up only one or two notches should be all you need plus I don't want to create other heat issues.

once you've done all this there is no reason for it not to at least boot 4Ghz.

Do you have load line calibration options in your bios this is important.

Your PC was showing quite high voltage (1.45) for not actually doing much (i assume)

(Start with LLC on normal or slight. make sure evrything else turbo etc all turned off)
Edited by Casey Ryback - 2/26/12 at 9:11pm
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When adjusting the FSB the RAM freq goes up/down with it.
I am aware of this.
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in the bios there is a setting i forget now but it's the RAM frequency setting.
easy enough to find it should show different frequency settings.
Right. During OC with reference clock at 279 and ram set at 400 mhz and 1.5v, the ram is now at 558 or 1116 (whatever number you want to go by).

During DEFAULT or AUTO with reference clock at DEFAULT or AUTO, the ram is going at what you see in the screenshot above. You asked for a screenshot of what it's at when it's at default. I am not sure how to make it any clearer?
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but let's leave it how it is for now as we're aiming for 4GHz.
give it at least 1.6 on the RAM I think.
try loosening timings in the RAM section of your bios as i described.
When I rebooted before I read your reply, I had it set to 1.65v and 8-8-8-19-31 timings and it didn't POST.
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keep NB at 2500. if NB voltage is stock bump it up only one or two notches should be all you need plus I don't want to create other heat issues.
Again, NB is at 2500 when OC'd to 3.9ghz. I'll provide another screenshot for you.
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once you've done all this there is no reason for it not to at least boot 4Ghz.
It boots above 4ghz, just doesn't pass prime test so I've backed down to 3.9 to fold on GPU.
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Do you have load line calibration options in your bios this is important.
It's set on auto cause I don't understand how it works. So many threads are saying different things about it.
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Your PC was showing quite high voltage (1.45) for not actually doing much (i assume)
(Start with LLC on normal or slight. make sure evrything else turbo etc all turned off)
Like I said, in BIOS, voltage is set at 1.5 yet CPU-Z is registering 1.45. LLC is set on Auto... the options for LLC are 0%, 33%, 50%, 66%, 75%, 100%.

Here's screenshot of ram and NB with the current OC of 3.9 ghz.

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Where does it say 777 1.65? on the RAM itself?
That was on the sticker of the RAM itself.
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OK sorry to confuse you and ask again etc...... go by what's on the sticks.

I still think it's your

cycle time

and

bank cycle time

that are too tight.

Load line calibration is how much extra juice the mobo gives to counter Vdroop.

cheaper boards etc are more prone to Vdroop like my asrock.

Now i'm going to throw a spanner in the works but sometimes a mobo bios update has fixes for such things as LLC.

This probably doesn't matter as asus and gigabyte boards are generally good from the getgo even set to auto.


anyway LLC could be playing a part in causing instability. might not be giving enough power @full load while primeing.

Vice versa it can give too much especially what i found when i first started testing@1.5v on my board.

i saw 1.6v before hastily stopping but i was kinda suicide running there and don't recommend it.

last but not least a bad 1055T can really need some voltage after about 3.8

i hit a wall with my chip and 1.5v was what i used to get 4.1 but it went over that while testing. (due to LLC set to medium but it wouldn't stable on any other setting)

auto LLC on my board got me to about 3.6 and that's it.


What tests in prime95 are you doing?

Use blends if you aren't already.

What no. are the tests that are failing? example fail the 1024k tests would more than likely indicate a RAM issue, unless significantly undervolted cpu in which the program would more than likely just stop working.

have you tried 8-8-8-26-32 yet? this should work as yours are 7-7-7 you can tighten them later once a nice cpu oc has been established.


As stated you may not have to touch LLC at all and it could be the memory issue.

But once getting through the memory intensive prime tests and if still failing the bigger no. tests (cpu intensive) load line calibration could play a part and you may have to mess around with it to get a high OC.

I gotta stop ranting i hope i've given you some food for thought.

Hope it comes good i had to do a heap of testing before evn working out my temperemental mobo etc.

Good Luck thumb.gif
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Load line calibration is how much extra juice the mobo gives to counter Vdroop.
I watched my prime test for 15 minutes just now. Watched CPU-z and at idle it was 1.440v. Hit start on Prime and it jumped to 1.472 for couple of secs then dropped to 1.408 for couple of secs then back up to 1.44. It would consistently do that and several times it would drop to 1.392v. Let me know if I need to adjust LLC.
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What tests in prime95 are you doing?
Use blends if you aren't already.
That is correct.
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What no. are the tests that are failing?
no idea as I never thought it mattered?
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have you tried 8-8-8-26-32 yet? this should work as yours are 7-7-7 you can tighten them later once a nice cpu oc has been established.
In BIOS? Because whatever I set in BIOS, CPU-Z is giving a different value. Always 1 less in fact.
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I watched my prime test for 15 minutes just now. Watched CPU-z and at idle it was 1.440v. Hit start on Prime and it jumped to 1.472 for couple of secs then dropped to 1.408 for couple of secs then back up to 1.44. It would consistently do that and several times it would drop to 1.392v. Let me know if I need to adjust LLC.
That is correct.
no idea as I never thought it mattered?
In BIOS? Because whatever I set in BIOS, CPU-Z is giving a different value. Always 1 less in fact.

OK so the RAM is defaulting to certain speeds even though saving in the bios. I hope you are saving the settings......lol kidding.

try 9's then and it will set 8's right? and 27 and 33 to get 8-8-8-26-32 lol i dunno.

it's an issue.

could try the other mobo slots maybe, i've seen strange things.

every prime95 test is different. there are a few that push the cpu and RAM really hard but they are a couple of hours into testing from memory.

you could probably look up elsewhere on exactly what each test does all i know is that the lower no. ones 1024K's etc are more memory intensive. bigger 28000K sort no.s are heavily cpu based and you will see it also from your temps.

i'm not saying the 1024 doesn't use the cpu it is just lighter work for it.


sounds like LLC may have to be controlled manually, but i'm not certain how much voltage jumps on the first tests i will do a run and tell you.
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Tried the 8-8-8-26-31 timings at 1.59v and it wouldn't POST. So I backed it down to 1.5v and it still wouldn't POST.

I'll let the Prime go for awhile again and see where it fails at.
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started prime 1024's sitting solid on 1.464

up to 1.472 then back to original

Ok so sits at 1.464 and occasional fluctuates.

it's very stable and hasn't moved off the stated voltages.

OK so i stopped it never moves it obviously needs stable voltage and by what you said it doesn't sound right.

it should increase /decrease when changing tests obviously.

RAM may not be the issue here at all lol.

(yes I know it's high for 3.8 don't troll me 1090T and 1100 owners - jokes)


OK so try the RAM setting that gets you the furthest into tests and try LLC on lowest setting start prime and check voltage change.

Then tweak accordingly 33% may not be enough.

Don't worry it won't actually add 33% more power it is a representation of the percentage of LLC.
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Right at 15 minutes core 6 stopped at Test 5, 6500.
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OK so try the RAM setting that gets you the furthest into tests
I still haven't figured out what timings that is yet actually. I can only get the rig to boot when timings set at auto funny enough.
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try LLC on lowest setting start prime and check voltage change.
Then tweak accordingly 33% may not be enough.

Trying this now.
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