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Turn off C1E support and AMD CaQ before doing any overclocking.

As for the CPU Voltage...it allowed me to change it, but the change wasn't actually made, voltage was still being reported at the oem 1.375. In order to make the voltage actually change I had to adjust the first CPU Voltage setting(VDD or something like that), as well as the normal CPU Voltage. Once I had both adjusted to the same value, CPU-Z finally reported the increased voltage.

I have been unable to reach a fully stable 4.0GHz, the closest I got was with the following settings adjusted...

C1E = Off
CaQ = Off
CPU FSB = 250MHz (Default is 200MHz)
CPU Multiplier = 16x (Default is 17x)
CPU VDD = 1.4750v (Default is Auto)
CPU Voltage = 1.4750v (Default is Auto)
NB = 2000MHz (Default is 2000MHz, but adjusting the FSB increased this number to 2500MHz and created an instability so I put it back to default)

I did not adjust anything else in BIOS.

At those settings, which are well within any limits for this CPU, I was doing fine until about half an hour in to Prime95 blend testing. The PC shut itself down, fried either the PSU or the MB...or both. Had to RMA them both, still waiting on them to be delivered back to me. Still have no idea why this happened, could have been temps(max individual core temps were 65, max overall cpu temp was 61), could have just been something faulty that took a little stress testing to finally show itself.

There have been a lot of people having trouble hitting a fully stable 4.0GHz, so you may have to settle for 3.8 or 3.9. I don't know if it's the board or the CPU, haven't talked to anyone else with another-brand 890fx.
Probably the mb was fried by the increase in CPU VDD V.

Check with another monitoring program to confirm the current voltage, which is not the VDD V.

The effective voltage is that regulated by CPU V option. Let CPU VDD V always AUTO.

I also suggest keeping the CPU-NB at 2500~2600MHz and raise the CPU-NB V to 1.20~1.25 V. This will give you a huge performance gain.

You may also overclock them only by the ratio, without touching the FSB. This way is much easier.


To overclock, you must disable the spread spectrum option. To let DDRs at their rated speed, you have to adjust your bios memory settings too.
Edited by C_Matrix - 7/6/10 at 6:24am
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Probably the mb was fried by the increase in CPU VDD V.

Check with another monitoring program to confirm the current voltage, which is not the VDD V.

The effective voltage is that regulated by CPU V option. Let CPU VDD V always AUTO.

I also suggest keeping the CPU-NB at 2500~2600MHz and raise the CPU-NB V to 1.20~1.25 V. This will give you a huge performance gain.

You may also overclock them only by the ratio, without touching the FSB. This way is much easier.


To overclock, you must disable the spread spectrum option. To let DDRs at their rated speed, you have to adjust your bios memory settings too.

I disagree with this. I have a 1055T with 1.4375 VDD and it runs anywhere from that to 1.45 (fine by me). CPU voltage is set to auto.

My current specs are as follows:

FSB = 300
Multi = 13.5
NB Multi = 9
HTT Multi = 7
Memory = 1600 mhz 9-9-9-28 (stock settings for 1600 mhz) 1.65v
CPU-NB volt = 1.250
CPU-VDD volt = 1.4375
CPU-PLL volt = 2.522
CPU volt = Auto
NB volt = Auto

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post #153 of 506
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I disagree with this. I have a 1055T with 1.4375 VDD and it runs anywhere from that to 1.45 (fine by me). CPU voltage is set to auto.

My current specs are as follows:

FSB = 300
Multi = 13.5
NB Multi = 9
HTT Multi = 7
Memory = 1600 mhz 9-9-9-28 (stock settings for 1600 mhz) 1.65v
CPU-NB volt = 1.250
CPU-VDD volt = 1.4375
CPU-PLL volt = 2.522
CPU volt = Auto
NB volt = Auto

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OK, I believe it works, but this is risky and is not the correct way to set the voltages.

VDD should only be raised for really extreme overclocks.
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OK, I believe it works, but this is risky and is not the correct way to set the voltages.

VDD should only be raised for really extreme overclocks.
Increasing "CPU Voltage" does nothing on this board/BIOS, this has been proven numerous times using numerous voltage monitoring apps. You can set it to whatever you want and all voltage monitoring apps will still read 1.375v. You HAVE to adjust "CPU VDD" to increase your core voltage. I don't know if this is some sort of stupid safety feature, or some sort of error that MSI never caught. Doesn't make any sense to me.

My problem was similar to people having the same issue in another thread in this section...due to the DRMOS not properly cooling the MOSFETS and allowing them to fry when overclocking, which in turn triggers the protection on your PSU when your 4/8pin 12v rail is plugged in to the board which results in the "lights/fans flicker on for a second and then shut off). It is my understanding that increasing the CPU core voltage = increases the power through the MOSFETS = increases MOSFET temps, and since that DRMOS cooler sometimes doesn't properly contact them, and MSI used crappy thermal pads, this results in the MB failing.
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post #155 of 506
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Increasing "CPU Voltage" does nothing on this board/BIOS, this has been proven numerous times using numerous voltage monitoring apps. You can set it to whatever you want and all voltage monitoring apps will still read 1.375v. You HAVE to adjust "CPU VDD" to increase your core voltage. I don't know if this is some sort of stupid safety feature, or some sort of error that MSI never caught. Doesn't make any sense to me.

My problem was similar to people having the same issue in another thread in this section...due to the DRMOS not properly cooling the MOSFETS and allowing them to fry when overclocking, which in turn triggers the protection on your PSU when your 4/8pin 12v rail is plugged in to the board which results in the "lights/fans flicker on for a second and then shut off). It is my understanding that increasing the CPU core voltage = increases the power through the MOSFETS = increases MOSFET temps, and since that DRMOS cooler sometimes doesn't properly contact them, and MSI used crappy thermal pads, this results in the MB failing.
I never raised the voltage by VDD V and always had success in overclocking with AM3. Perhaps this is a problem of MSI 890 or any other 890 chipset mb, which I have not yet configured.

Moreover, I always read burning reports of these AM3 MBs, where the voltage raised was VDD V.

Anyway, I don't know any tutorial that recommends increasing VDD voltage to achieve stability.
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I never raised the voltage by VDD V and always had success in overclocking with AM3. Perhaps this is a problem of MSI 890 or any other 890 chipset mb, which I have not yet configured.

Moreover, I always read burning reports of these AM3 MBs, where the voltage raised was VDD V.

Anyway, I don't know any tutorial that recommends increasing VDD voltage to achieve stability.
It's very possible that increasing the CPU VDD is causing this, but like I said...that's the only way to get the actual core voltage to increase.

If you set CPU Voltage in BIOS to 1.450v, the actual core voltage will still read the default 1.375v in any voltage monitoring apps.

If you set the CPU VDD in BIOS to 1.450v, the actual core voltage will read 1.450v in any voltage monitoring apps.

This may very well be a bug with this board or the BIOS that MSI hasn't noticed, or chooses not to address.
 
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So how are you owners liking this board? I'm looking forward to building a rig for a buddy of mine based on the 1055T and this was one of the choices in boards he was looking at. I've had heard a few horror stories about this board such as one getting "cooked". But I thought I'd ask the actual end users. So what is your overall opinion of this board?
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So how are you owners liking this board? I'm looking forward to building a rig for a buddy of mine based on the 1055T and this was one of the choices in boards he was looking at. I've had heard a few horror stories about this board such as one getting "cooked". But I thought I'd ask the actual end users. So what is your overall opinion of this board?
Because this board seems to be flawed, I would advise against it. Go with another brand 890fx.

Thread about the problems-
http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...ot-cooked.html

My thread on MSI forums, awaiting a reply-
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=139766.0

Without overclocking...the board works, but then it's useless because that's what it was made for. If you overclock, you apparently run a high risk of exposing the board's weaknesses and cooking it. Over the last few years I've had all sorts of failures with MSI boards, so unfortunately I'll have to look at being a fan of another brand that actually has some quality control and testing.
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Because this board seems to be flawed, I would advise against it. Go with another brand 890fx.

Thread about the problems-
http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...ot-cooked.html

My thread on MSI forums, awaiting a reply-
http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=139766.0

Without overclocking...the board works, but then it's useless because that's what it was made for. If you overclock, you apparently run a high risk of exposing the board's weaknesses and cooking it. Over the last few years I've had all sorts of failures with MSI boards, so unfortunately I'll have to look at being a fan of another brand that actually has some quality control and testing.
Coming from an actual owner/user, this means a lot! Thanks, I will definatly look for another board. I hope you have better luck next time whether it be with MSI or not
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Coming from an actual owner/user, this means a lot! Thanks, I will definatly look for another board. I hope you have better luck next time whether it be with MSI or not
It's a shame that this board has flaws, it really does have a lot of cool stuff and looks great. But if I'm going to spend $200 on a mb, I expect it to perform as advertised out of the box and while being overclocked.

I have no idea if the problems affect all of the MSI 890fx boards, or just a few. I also don't know if MSI is aware of the problem and fixed it, or choose to ignore it. For all I know, this replacement board is fixed and I can overclock it...but until I hear directly from MSI about the problem, I won't be touching any BIOS settings. Worst case scenario, I'll demand my refund and go with a Gigabyte 890fx or something.
 
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