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My sappire x1800xl will only run a game for a few seconds (or at the most a few mins on min settings) then the pc will restart. I thought this might be a power supply problem so I bought a new psu (hyper z 480w). It only runs the system with one HD and a DVDRW. But I have exactly the same problem. If I run games in thier minimun settings I can play for longer but the same happens. Thats indeed if I can run a game. Others just give a load of error messages. Does anyone know what could be causing this? I got the card second hand off ebay so I am not that confident with it.

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Well, I need you to do a few things for me:

1) download atitool beta 13
......a) Use it to see what the clocks are running at
......b) Use it to check the idel and load temps of your GPU
2) make sure you have installed catalyst 6.2
......a) Do this by going to the uninstall apps control panel and removing ATI uninstall utility.
.........This will remove all ATI related hardware from your PC then you install a new version of Catalyst.
3) reboot and load defaults in the bios menu
4) tell me what amps are on the 12v rail of your PSU
5) Download a program called Speedfan
......a) Use it to monitor the temp of you CPU idle and on load.


If you feel comfortable using modded drivers that actually increase performance, visit guru3d.com and download the latest omega drivers dor raeon cards.
 
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Good instructions above.

1800xl's are notorious for heat problems.
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I have all that already but I never include enough info in my first post because I hope someone is going to tell me to turn on an unknown switch somewhere and it will all be ok. Anyway.

Core and mem are stock I think being: 499.50 and 495 respectively.

I can only use Atitools graphical window to load the card as games crash the system to give a long enough load temp. I also locked the fan on 100% speed which gives around 50 degrees normal and around around 65 i reakon on full load (it goes to about 60 with the ati window). Is this is ok? I know that ati's run quite hot. However, games restart the machine sometimes instantly which leads me away from the fact its temp related as it would have to have a bit of time to heat up.

What is really worring though is that the GPU current draw alternates between 13 and 40 amps depending on load in atitool. My psu is rated at 16amp on the 12v rail. This cant be right can it, you could power a train with 40a? If it is no wonder the whole system takes a dive instantly.

I am running cat 6.2 with xp pro sp 2 on a fresh install. I am going to take a look at the Omega drivers that I have used before.

My mobo is running defaults basically (only just put the machine together).

CPU temps are frosty even on load never gets above 35 degrees.

It looks to me like the card is pulling too much power if atitool is right. Could it be possable that the previous owner flashed a new bios to the card or something? Ahhh HELP!


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*Edit* FYI the gpu runs on stock 1v
*Edit* Omega make no difference at all
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post #5 of 26
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I have changed the pci express slots I am using and this has improved things a lot. The system does not crash now completely only the program. Also I get up to around 15mins out of it rather than 3 seconds. On full load playing hl2 lost coast 4aa 4af with full hdr the temp of the card only does to about 55 degrees.
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post #6 of 26
Good! The new temp is where it should be. My x1800xl idles around 44 and under load runs around 55. I am concerend about two things for your new situation.

1) Switching the card from one PCIE slot to another didn't eradicate the problem. From what you have described it seems as if you may have an air flow problem in your case. I am willing to assume that the card was closer to the CPU before and now it is farther, or it was farther from a case fan and now it is closer. In any case the different location of the card, the increased run time and lower temps but consistent crash issue all indicate an air flow problem. Download a program called Motherboard monitor and tell me the temp of your case during gameplay and idle modes, or try running some games for a while with the side panel off. The removal of the side panel is usuallly a best bet wit heat problems and may be a bit noisy but is way better than buying a 60$ heatsink.

2) These new generation cards require lots of amps on the 12v rail. The x1800xl requires at least 28 amps on the 12v rail and finding a power supply that can do this is difficult as many companies try to sell high voltage power supplies that seem powerful and cheap but have nothing on the 12v rail, which is where it counts and why they are cheap! Your best bet, if running the games with a side panel off doesn't work, is to buy a new power supply that has one (or two) 12v rail(s) that sum up to 28 amps or more (on the 12v rail[s]). Make sure the new PSU is pcie compatible. It'll say it on the box.

In any case, I recommend buying a new PSU no matter what because you will never reach the full potential of the x1800xl with a cap of 16 amps on the 12v rail. Besides, buying a new PSU can be fun! Thermaltake is a great brand that provides high quality 12v rails, good voltages and great and quiet air flow keeping your case cool, quiet and circulating!
 
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post #7 of 26
agreed, 16a on the 12v rail is definetly not sufficient for an x1800xl

antec is also a good brand
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post #8 of 26
If you're on a budget at the moment, I'd reccomend the ePower Puma II.450W, 28a on the 12v rail, and it's $46.50 at NewEgg.
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My friend many ppl had this problem check this link out it has 500 post about x1800 series

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showth...t=6192&page=17
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post #10 of 26
16A on the 12V is nowhere near enough. Never buy a PSU based on watts. Buy it based on the amps on the 12V rail.
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