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Originally Posted by Ropey
If you run your cpu/ram ratio at 4:5 you will gain benefit. The benefit will be from an increased latency. This means that the gates will switch faster and the dram will be received at the gates quicker. You will also gain benefit from any cache work (ECC) as that work will be done whilst the data is continually being streamed from the CPU and the stall will (Latency again) be more marginalized in 4:5 than 1:1. In other words the ECC Data validation will be done quicker. Thus, if you have a 5:4 ram ratio then you are marginalizing the stream on the strap data stream from cpu to ram but not if the ratio is 4:5. Canned benchmarks will not easily show this benefit, but database testing will.

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you gain no significant increase in running ur ram faster than ur fsb because their is a bottleneck at the fsb. Any by keeping the ram at 1:1 you will open up more room foroverclocking your processor. It is best to run ram in a 1:1 divider.

EDIT: btw you wouldnt want an increase in latency u would want a decrease in latency. higher latency lower performance.

EDIT: you may want to try flashing ur bios to the newest revision. This may solve ur having to press delete problem.
 
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Ok soo recap is...
My 1:1 set up is good?
in terms of my bios screwing up...
i guess i need to reflash it.. not too sure but i'm hoping this means i don't need to reformat right?
i tired OCCT and there was no errors...
i just haven't has time to run Prime95 yet...

butt kinda hoping to push my comp alittle more..maybe atleast 3.4 from a 2.4..
hehe just hoping i'm not getting to greedy...

waht i also noticed with my voltage is that it isn't really changing in CPU-Z like i had set it too in Bios....it's suppose to be at 1.525 or soemthign but it usually shows...1.440..something liek that....

but otherwise it seems to be alright..
THANks alot guys for ur help...
    
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you gain no significant increase in running ur ram faster than ur fsb because their is a bottleneck at the fsb.
What I am saying is that the increase in speed will increase the abilty for the ECC. Not that the latency will become greater. There is a difference between increase and greater.

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Originally Posted by Leprachuan
EDIT: btw you wouldnt want an increase in latency u would want a decrease in latency. higher latency lower performance.
Have you heard of "Negative Growth". If you research this term you will gain an understanding of what I mean.

You are saying that the ECC work (done completely in cache) will not benefit from an increase in the RAM bus?

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What I am saying is that the increase in speed will increase the abilty for the ECC. Not that the latency will become greater. There is a difference between increase and greater.



Have you heard of "Negative Growth". If you research this term you will gain an understanding of what I mean.

You are saying that the ECC work (done completely in cache) will not benefit from an increase in the RAM bus?

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btw hes not running a server he is not using ecc ram... the ram he has and the ram most people have is non ecc and despite that having a faster ram speed than the fsb is not that great. the processor is the most important part of the loop and it can only get data from the ram as fast at the speed of the fsb.
 
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ECC is an algorithm (Software Based - Workstations) in systems that are not utilizing ECC Dram. ECC (Hardware - Server Based) is an algorithm in systems that are utilizing the extra hardware bit for ECC recognition.

The servers algorithm is hardware based. The workstations algorithm is software based but both make use of ECC. Since servers stream data from the same source there needs to be a hardware based translation that can perform ECC on the same piece of data at concurrent time. This is not favorable in software ECC recognition, hence the need for hardware ECC Dram.

All systems use ECC (although you can disable this in many BIOS's) either in software (slower) or in hardware (faster) and if the dram is running faster than the stream of data then the software based (entirely in the ram) algorithm is able to check the error code bit flips quicker to the faster (lower) latency streamed dram.

Hopefully this is clearer. By the way, there must be many others here who can explain this better than I as English is not my primary language and I can often be unclear.

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so ur saying there is software ecc inside of the ram that executes seperate from the cpu...if so what runs the operations?...i was unaware of any processing unit on on a stick of ram...this makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
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so ur saying there is software ecc inside of the ram that executes seperate from the cpu...if so what runs the operations?...i was unaware of any processing unit on on a stick of ram...this makes absolutely no sense to me.
No, what I am saying is that the algorithm that passes the bit request onto the dram and creates the data check for ECC validation is acted upon in the ram module. The latency and dram speed effects this operation. The ram passes back the bit and is then checked via controller. However, the speed that the dram renders the data bit to the controller is effected by the latency and dram speed.

Have you not seen the BIOS disable for non hardware based ECC?

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No, what I am saying is that the algorithm that passes the bit request onto the dram and creates the data check for ECC validation is acted upon in the ram module. The latency and dram speed effects this operation. The ram passes back the bit and is then checked via controller. However, the speed that the dram renders the data bit to the controller is effected by the latency and dram speed.

Have you not seen the BIOS disable for non hardware based ECC?

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well i guess my bios doesn't have that option because i couldnt find it. i have an asus p4p800 se motherboard btw. I'll have to take ur word on this, but i've always been taught the best overclocking and performance results came from a 1:1 ratio. Many reputable people from this forum have told me this many times.
 
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post #19 of 28
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Good Game guys..hahaha

altho i never knew about this ECC stuff before i believe i have now been alittle more knowledgable because of it....


soo hahaha i'm assuming i need to up my RAM?
soo in the enddd the original set up of 4:5 was good?
haha to be honest...i noticed from OCing my comp...
i haven't hit a big enough wall in games to notice a really bigg diff...
this is all going by benchmarks which i like to see the numbers go up...
(kinda greedy for power..hehe like CARS)

but yaa i'm not even surreee what i should do.....
but thanks guysss...
    
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but i've always been taught the best overclocking and performance results came from a 1:1 ratio. Many reputable people from this forum have told me this many times.
Here's a screenshot of the DRAM at work on 1:1 with a 630 3.0 @ 4.0GHz



Here's a screenshot of the DRAM at work on 3:4 with a 630 3.0 @ 4.0GHz



Now the comparision is in the Dram Write (Copy) as that is where the ECC work is accomplished but also any actual work done in the dram (other than burst transfer which will contain no appreciable difference) will be effected. There is little difference otherwise so the other people who tell you that there will be little performance difference between the two modes are partially correct as only on the dram write (work done inside the dram modules) will there be any substantial difference.

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