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Can I do all of the above?
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Can I do all of the above?

I don't see why not. A server is just a piece of hardware dedicated to network applications. You might need more storage if you plan on using it as a media server.
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adding hardware raid would cause problems and compromise the data. yes it uses more cpu, but most of our servers have wicked overpowered CPU anyways.

look at this
http://www.freenas.org/hardware-requirements/
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/hardware-recommendations-read-this-first.23069/

you miss under stand or i miss communicated. raid cards have processing units and ram of there own. perhaps ZFS utilizes this to bring down over head, i don't know. i know hardware raid card can be used in on raid mode to connect drives.
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But remember not to make same mistake as me.
Don't install FreeNas on USB flash drive.

1.5 year and pendrive killed.
The lack of wear leveling is the source of the problem.

So either take small HDD or flash with hardware-level wear leveling (unless FreeNas can make use of any tool to use software for this).

Also I had no problems running FreeNas on 2GB ram.
Samba+CIFS+SMART+Transmission
FreeNas was using 1-1.5MB swap sometimes.
No problems with maxing out HDD transfer rates on such config.

But if you want to use ZFS(as well as more plugins/services) then prepare a lot of ram.

An alterenative to FreeNas is unRAID.
More open IMO but never used it.
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adding hardware raid would cause problems and compromise the data. yes it uses more cpu, but most of our servers have wicked overpowered CPU anyways.

look at this
http://www.freenas.org/hardware-requirements/
https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/hardware-recommendations-read-this-first.23069/

you miss under stand or i miss communicated. raid cards have processing units and ram of there own. perhaps ZFS utilizes this to bring down over head, i don't know. i know hardware raid card can be used in on raid mode to connect drives.

You would have to use the raid card in "pass through mode" or lacking that, set each drive to be it's own raid0 volume.

ZFS is not just a filesystem, but it is a volume manager, disk manager, filesystem, and probably more that I cannot remember currently. The more you put in ZFS's way, the better chance you have of corrupted or lost data. So no, you wouldn't be able to use the CPU of the raid card, however you might be able to use some of the cache on the raid card (which the raid card would be responsible for).
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You would have to use the raid card in "pass through mode" or lacking that, set each drive to be it's own raid0 volume.

ZFS is not just a filesystem, but it is a volume manager, disk manager, filesystem, and probably more that I cannot remember currently. The more you put in ZFS's way, the better chance you have of corrupted or lost data. So no, you wouldn't be able to use the CPU of the raid card, however you might be able to use some of the cache on the raid card (which the raid card would be responsible for).

sounds like it's better to have a dedicated machine set up as a nas or san with ZFS so the actual server doesn't suffer an overhead penalty.
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You would have to use the raid card in "pass through mode" or lacking that, set each drive to be it's own raid0 volume.

ZFS is not just a filesystem, but it is a volume manager, disk manager, filesystem, and probably more that I cannot remember currently. The more you put in ZFS's way, the better chance you have of corrupted or lost data. So no, you wouldn't be able to use the CPU of the raid card, however you might be able to use some of the cache on the raid card (which the raid card would be responsible for).

sounds like it's better to have a dedicated machine set up as a nas or san with ZFS so the actual server doesn't suffer an overhead penalty.

It honestly depends on the use case.

I have a desktop/fileserver with a i3-2100 and 16GB of ram, and I don't notice overhead issues on the equivalent of a raid6.

What specs are your server and what purpose is it?
Edited by stumped - 11/6/15 at 2:15pm
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It honestly depends on the use case.

I have a desktop/fileserver with a i3-2100 and 16GB of ram, and I don't notice overhead issues on the equivalent of a raid6.

What specs are your server and what purpose is it?

dual socket 1366 quads. lab use and multi purpose use. some of those i3s are wicked little dual cores depending on the computations being done. in Nintendo wii emulation they can beat out older HEAVILY OCed quads if its the right i3.
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dual socket 1366 quads. lab use and multi purpose use. some of those i3s are wicked little dual cores depending on the computations being done. in Nintendo wii emulation they can beat out older HEAVILY OCed quads if its the right i3.

You've got *more* than enough CPU power for ZFS. The only thing is RAM, as zfs likes to use about as much ram as it can get its hands on, however there is a plateau affect on it (as with all things), and you can tweak zfs and limit the amount of ram it can use for caching.

Hell, I used to run raidz2 (raid6 equivalent) on this core i3 with only 4GB of ram in a virtualbox vm on a windows 7 host, without hiccup (granted, the virtualbox vm was just a nas, and I did pass through the block device to virtualbox). But I noticed no issues what so ever. And now that this file server is on a dedicated machine, it runs even better.

One of the other cool things, is you can create what is called a "zvol", which is a ZFS backed block device and pass that to the VM (depending on configuration and hypervisor), getting the CoW filesystem with data integrity checks, compression, and any other ZFS features you have enabled.
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You've got *more* than enough CPU power for ZFS. The only thing is RAM, as zfs likes to use about as much ram as it can get its hands on, however there is a plateau affect on it (as with all things), and you can tweak zfs and limit the amount of ram it can use for caching.

Hell, I used to run raidz2 (raid6 equivalent) on this core i3 with only 4GB of ram in a virtualbox vm on a windows 7 host, without hiccup (granted, the virtualbox vm was just a nas, and I did pass through the block device to virtualbox). But I noticed no issues what so ever. And now that this file server is on a dedicated machine, it runs even better.

One of the other cool things, is you can create what is called a "zvol", which is a ZFS backed block device and pass that to the VM (depending on configuration and hypervisor), getting the CoW filesystem with data integrity checks, compression, and any other ZFS features you have enabled.

what about dual socket 771 quads? i'm building a second server. maybe once i do that i can back every thing up so i can back up ESXi 6. (i run esxi 6 on my raid 5). i also use enterprise drives.

EDIT: those core i3s certain models can murder core 2 quads in certain computations and apis.
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