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post #751 of 1598
7/18/12 at 7:58am
You need a forklift truck to rack it though. I'm deadly serious, they make those.
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7/18/12 at 8:53am
If you ever need that many drives, I would venture that you're rich as hell, and you should just venture into cases that use 2.5" bays.
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7/18/12 at 9:07am
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If you ever need that many drives, I would venture that you're rich as hell, and you should just venture into cases that use 2.5" bays.

I have almost that many drives and i'm considered low-middle wage for income. tongue.gif

50 slots, that would be $7500 at $150/3TB drives, and that's if you buy 50 drives without getting a bulk discount. Assuming you browse around try to get a good bulk deal, with 50 drives you can probably get a bulk deal of about $100 per which would make it $5000. You aren't required to fill the server immediately though, you could buy it and put a single drive in it and expand when needed.

Really not that bad considering hardly anyone (non-business) would fill the server up right when they got it. $5000-$7500 over 5-10 years? Lots can afford that and It's way more future proof.

Though, I believe that case comes with enterprise class hardware in it.. if it's the same case I was looking at it's like $7000 without the drives. A little absurd for home servers since you can get 2x Norco 4224 that will fit 48 drives for $800.
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You need a forklift truck to rack it though. I'm deadly serious, they make those.

Yeah, I can't move my 24 drive cases when they have all slots full. I have to remove the drives then move it. They get pretty heavy, and i'm not a very strong guy. tongue.gif
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7/18/12 at 9:53am
How do you figure you spread that over 5-10 years? Technology changes that rapidly, so you're not future-proofing anything. Only if you pumped that much money into an instant, fully-stocked build, would it be future-proof. Lower middle class people do not find $7,000 to be anywhere near affordable. That's a 4th of their income, so you either live with mommy and daddy, or are upper middle class.
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7/18/12 at 9:58am
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How do you figure you spread that over 5-10 years? Technology changes that rapidly, so you're not future-proofing anything. Only if you pumped that much money into an instant, fully-stocked build, would it be future-proof. Lower middle class people do not find $7,000 to be anywhere near affordable. That's a 4th of their income, so you either live with mommy and daddy, or are upper middle class.

Why have all of my storage available from day one if it's not going to be utilized. I can start small with a couple of drives and expand as my needs grow, mitigating the cost over time.
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7/18/12 at 10:48am
Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk... There's not even a guarantee that you will have access to the same disks even a year later. I built my server about a year ago, and now the drives I used are completely gone thanks to WD monopolizing. Now if I want to expand, I not only have to buy a new RAID card (out of ports), but I now have to buy an entire set of different drives and transfer the data to a new array. Had I just bought 16 drives at once I would not have this problem.
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7/18/12 at 10:52am
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Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk...

How?
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7/18/12 at 11:13am
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Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk... There's not even a guarantee that you will have access to the same disks even a year later. I built my server about a year ago, and now the drives I used are completely gone thanks to WD monopolizing. Now if I want to expand, I not only have to buy a new RAID card (out of ports), but I now have to buy an entire set of different drives and transfer the data to a new array. Had I just bought 16 drives at once I would not have this problem.


You know that it isn't necessary to keep all your drives identical right?. Think of it this way, Let's say I purchase 8x 2tb drives, all one brand, all fairly similiar date codes, and all the same firmware and hw revision. One year later half of them fail, come to find out it was an issue with that specific date/hardware code. Now if I had staggered them with different makes/models, same size with similiar features, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure you may take a hit in seek times, or read/write times, but if you were going to expand slowly over time....

Edit..
If you plan right, you can also pre-purchase multiple raid controllers and span your array across them.
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Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk...

How?

 

Depending on the method used to pool them, would have to rebuild when adding drives, plus you now have drives of varying usage and age.

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7/18/12 at 11:47am
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Depending on the method used to pool them, would have to rebuild when adding drives, plus you now have drives of varying usage and age.

Chances are if you buy a chassis like that, you have a plan. Chances are if you have a plan, and you aren't buying drives to fill it up at once...you got a raid controller that allows online migration, and you are using it for that. Chances are, you are also not putting all those drives in one giant array. Chances are you are going to do a Raid 5, 6, or 10...which (depending on the controller) would allow for online expansion.

Ever heard of Gigabyte Boundaries?

If you don't have a plan, you probably went with something like UnRaid...which can mis-match drives all day.
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