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7/18/12 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Boyboyd View Post

You need a forklift truck to rack it though. I'm deadly serious, they make those.
There is a user that uses this case at home...not from these forums though....his build is amazing!
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If you ever need that many drives, I would venture that you're rich as hell, and you should just venture into cases that use 2.5" bays.
you don' thave to be rich to own that many drives. like said .. you expand as your needs grow. the case will most likely be your biggest cost up front.

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I have almost that many drives and i'm considered low-middle wage for income. tongue.gif
50 slots, that would be $7500 at $150/3TB drives, and that's if you buy 50 drives without getting a bulk discount. Assuming you browse around try to get a good bulk deal, with 50 drives you can probably get a bulk deal of about $100 per which would make it $5000. You aren't required to fill the server immediately though, you could buy it and put a single drive in it and expand when needed.
Really not that bad considering hardly anyone (non-business) would fill the server up right when they got it. $5000-$7500 over 5-10 years? Lots can afford that and It's way more future proof.
Though, I believe that case comes with enterprise class hardware in it.. if it's the same case I was looking at it's like $7000 without the drives. A little absurd for home servers since you can get 2x Norco 4224 that will fit 48 drives for $800.
Yeah, I can't move my 24 drive cases when they have all slots full. I have to remove the drives then move it. They get pretty heavy, and i'm not a very strong guy. tongue.gif
Many will say you can't future propf with today's tech, but when it comes to having the right case with the right amount of drive bays as needed up front yes you can! as you and i did with going with a Norco case right from the jump. I have upgraded my internal and my case once and that was when i purchased the norco.

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How do you figure you spread that over 5-10 years? Technology changes that rapidly, so you're not future-proofing anything. Only if you pumped that much money into an instant, fully-stocked build, would it be future-proof. Lower middle class people do not find $7,000 to be anywhere near affordable. That's a 4th of their income, so you either live with mommy and daddy, or are upper middle class.
if you pumped it all in a fully stocked build you would lose over time. warranty would run out and un-needed wear on the drives spinning and not being used. plus cost of electricity to keep it all turning. expand drives as you need then. 3-5 drives at a time tends to work well for me.

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Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk... There's not even a guarantee that you will have access to the same disks even a year later. I built my server about a year ago, and now the drives I used are completely gone thanks to WD monopolizing. Now if I want to expand, I not only have to buy a new RAID card (out of ports), but I now have to buy an entire set of different drives and transfer the data to a new array. Had I just bought 16 drives at once I would not have this problem.
data will always be at some kind of a risk. depending on OS and hardware will depend on how much risk.....we will all need to expend at some point as our collections grow. I have expanded on hw raid 5 maybe two times and once when i expanded and moved to hw raid 6.....many are using unraid, flexraid and many other ways of pooling their data so the risks will vary.
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7/18/12 at 12:24pm
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You know that it isn't necessary to keep all your drives identical right?. Think of it this way, Let's say I purchase 8x 2tb drives, all one brand, all fairly similiar date codes, and all the same firmware and hw revision. One year later half of them fail, come to find out it was an issue with that specific date/hardware code. Now if I had staggered them with different makes/models, same size with similiar features, this wouldn't have happened.
Sure you may take a hit in seek times, or read/write times, but if you were going to expand slowly over time....
Edit..
If you plan right, you can also pre-purchase multiple raid controllers and span your array across them.

Good post. Here it is in practice, using 2 PCI-X SuperMicro 8-port sata controllers:

Code:
# zpool status mp2
  pool: mp2
 state: ONLINE
  scan: resilvered 775G in 3h55m with 0 errors on Mon Jul 16 18:37:10 2012
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        mp2         ONLINE       0     0     0
          raidz1-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c7t4d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c7t2d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c6t2d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c6t7d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c7t0d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
          raidz1-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c6t1d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c7t1d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c6t0d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c7t3d0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            c6t3d0  ONLINE       0     0     0

# ./sdisks.pl mp2
Pool Name: mp2
DISK    VDEV     MODEL               FIRMWARE    PORC    LCC     TEMP
============================================================================
c7t4d0  raidz1-0 HD204UI             1AQ10001    0       146     22
c7t2d0  raidz1-0 WD20EARX-00PASB0    51.0AB51    48      654     27
c6t2d0  raidz1-0 HD204UI             1AQ10001    0       144     22
c6t7d0  raidz1-0 WD20EARX-00PASB0    51.0AB51    14      54      27
c7t0d0  raidz1-0 ST32000542AS        CC95                        29
c6t1d0  raidz1-1 HD204UI             1AQ10001    0       145     21
c7t1d0  raidz1-1 WD20EARX-00PASB0    51.0AB51    49      638     27
c6t0d0  raidz1-1 HD204UI             1AQ10001    0       143     21
c7t3d0  raidz1-1 WD20EARX-00PASB0    51.0AB51    48      629     26
c6t3d0  raidz1-1 HD204UI             1AQ10001    0       148     22

# iostat -zxcn
     cpu
 us sy wt id
  0  1  0 99
                    extended device statistics
    r/s    w/s   kr/s   kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t  %w  %b device
    0.1    0.0    1.6    0.7  0.0  0.0    2.7    2.1   0   0 c3t1d0
    0.6    1.6   61.8  183.9  0.0  0.0   15.6    2.4   1   1 c6t0d0
    0.6    1.6   61.7  183.9  0.0  0.0   15.8    2.5   1   1 c6t2d0
    0.7    1.6   76.9  183.9  0.0  0.0   15.7    2.5   1   1 c6t3d0
    0.8    1.7   76.6  183.9  0.0  0.0    3.5    8.9   0   0 c6t7d0
    0.7    1.6   76.6  183.9  0.0  0.0    3.8   10.8   0   0 c7t0d0
    0.7    1.6   62.2  183.9  0.0  0.0    4.4   11.1   0   0 c7t2d0
    0.6    1.6   61.6  183.9  0.0  0.0    3.8   11.4   0   0 c7t3d0
    0.8    1.6   77.7  183.9  0.0  0.0   11.9    2.1   0   0 c7t4d0
    0.1    0.0    1.7    0.7  0.0  0.0    3.1    2.2   0   0 c3t0d0
    0.7    1.6   76.9  183.9  0.0  0.0   15.7    2.5   1   1 c6t1d0
    0.7    1.6   77.1  183.9  0.0  0.0    4.5   11.1   0   0 c7t1d0
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7/18/12 at 4:52pm
How do you justify needing that much space at home though?

In an enterprise environment I can understand but no way would you be using one controller for that many drives, sure you'd have redundancy on the drives but if the hardware in the chassi fails you have one huge single point of failure..

I've come to the conclusion if you need that much storage at home you're into some seriously kinky stuff..
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7/18/12 at 5:43pm
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How do you justify needing that much space at home though?
In an enterprise environment I can understand but no way would you be using one controller for that many drives, sure you'd have redundancy on the drives but if the hardware in the chassi fails you have one huge single point of failure..
I've come to the conclusion if you need that much storage at home you're into some seriously kinky stuff..

Well, for one, I don't have to justify it. Two, get your mind out of the gutter.
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7/18/12 at 8:48pm
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Well, for one, I don't have to justify it. Two, get your mind out of the gutter.

I was referring to AlphaMonk not you sorry.. tongue.gif
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7/18/12 at 9:01pm
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I was referring to AlphaMonk not you sorry.. tongue.gif

Oops. Back to Defcon 1. thumb.gif
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post #767 of 1598
7/19/12 at 4:15am
Stop flaming, more servers...

This is a good thread, don't ruin it with pointless arguments.

People can spend their money on whatever they want, who cares.
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7/19/12 at 5:11am
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I've come to the conclusion if you need that much storage at home you're into some seriously kinky stuff..

I guess blu-ray movies, entire TV series, and all music in FLAC is kinky...

Go ahead and use different drives, don't come crying when something weird happens and you lose your data. If you can't understand why expanding little by little puts your data at risk, you shouldn't even be messing with such hardware.
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7/19/12 at 6:01am
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Because expanding many times like that puts the data at risk... There's not even a guarantee that you will have access to the same disks even a year later. I built my server about a year ago, and now the drives I used are completely gone thanks to WD monopolizing. Now if I want to expand, I not only have to buy a new RAID card (out of ports), but I now have to buy an entire set of different drives and transfer the data to a new array. Had I just bought 16 drives at once I would not have this problem.
That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense because you're suggesting that you cannot mix and match drives which, is not only possible, but recommended practice when running large volumes of consumer grade HDDs.
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Go ahead and use different drives, don't come crying when something weird happens and you lose your data. If you can't understand why expanding little by little puts your data at risk, you shouldn't even be messing with such hardware.
Care to educate us?

Everything I've read to date has suggested it's best not to buy multiple drives from the same batches. This is the 1st time I've ever heard anyone recommend the exact opposite. So if there's any merit to your claim then I'd genuinely love to be educated on this matter smile.gif
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7/19/12 at 6:31am
This is why normal people stress test the drives first and weed out the DOAs. Nice try. I'm not going to spoon feed you the information. If you don't understand how expanding works and how writing entire drives at a time is a huge risk, you won't grasp that this sentence in itself is an explanation. I never said you can't mix different drives, I just said it's retarded, risky, and only hurts performance. My philosophy is "go big or go home."
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