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Ok guys as much as you hate thermaltakes kits. I just ordered the watercooled tai chi to house my fx60 setup. I;m a water rook and dont really care for extreme performance. Regardless of the included water kits performance i was gonna get this case. I love it! And it would be great for what i have planned. I have a btx setup right now and my fx60 is a atx setup. This case lets me use both.

So i need your input on wether or not i should get these upgrades now and what you think of them. Please i just want to add 2 parts and im thinking of doing them now rather than later.

This danger den pump
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...&cat=23&page=1

And maybe this extra radiator from thermaltake
http://www.thermaltake.com/2005/wate...2/cl-w0021.htm


Im really leaning towards getting that pump though.

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Yea. I'd get the pump too, but are you sure that the tubing will fit?

DD Pump:
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Use with 1/2" or 3/4" ID Tubing
Thermaltake Kit:
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Durable 3/8" Tube
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http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...&cat=23&page=1

good thing danger den's a one stop shop for my pump needs
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Originally Posted by ProphetX
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...&cat=23&page=1

good thing danger den's a one stop shop for my pump needs
Cool, well good luck man. Get the pump, no need for a new RAD. That'll just mess up your cycle.
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Hey ProphetX,

Here I am, as requested.

You're asking about:

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maybe this extra radiator from thermaltake
http://www.thermaltake.com/2005/wate...2/cl-w0021.htm
Even if you decided you needed/wanted more radiators, I'd skip that one. I'm not a fan of drive-bay radiators--they take the heat that you've gone through a lot of trouble getting out of your CPU/GPU and into the water, and blow it back into your case.

I'd just go with a case radiator (like the included ones) or external radiator.


As I said in the other thread, I suspect it won't do you any good, and it definitely will increase pressure, and your likelihood of leaks.

I'd recommend getting your cooling up and running stock first, and seeing how it performs. If you find your waterblock outlet is more than a couple degrees C higher than its inlet, more flow could help.

My main suggestion would be to add a GPU waterblock to your rig--I don't see one. I added one to my BigWater SE, which has half the radiator of yours, and it handles it, though could certainly use more capacity.

If you decide to go for a GPU waterblock, I do not recommend the ThermalTake--mine works, but I find it's mount too flimsy. I'd go with one of the ones folks here recommend.

I hope that helps--please feel free to ask if I can help more.
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Thanks.....i guess you actually just saved me money. But are you sure i shouldn't get the pump. I actually thought about the possiblity of it being too powerful. But its has 5 settings on it. I was thinking of running it on 3 or 4.

Btw, whats the nexus 12cm? a fan?
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Thanks.....i guess you actually just saved me money.
I doubt it. If you're anything like me, you'll be buying more stuff. The only question is "what".

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But are you sure i shouldn't get the pump?
No, I'm just not sure that you need it. If you want to (maybe) save money wait--you can always buy later. if you want to have fun, buy.

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I actually thought about the possiblity of it being too powerful. But its has 5 settings on it. I was thinking of running it on 3 or 4.
Yeah, I like that pump a lot. The settings are great--you can play and see if it makes a diff. As I said, I bet it won't.

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Btw, whats the nexus 12cm? a fan
Yeah, sorry. It's the silent low cfm fan that SilentPCReview recommends. Can't really hear it, even at 12V. I replaced the Thermaltake fan with it.

Jab-tech has em, along with other places:

http://www.jab-tech.com/home.php?cat=230

Thanks for another chance to pontificate.

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that DD pump will strugle heavily with the use of the small-ID tubing that the thermaltake system uses

i'd suggest getting a MCP-350/DDC pump and putting adapters on that for the smaller tubing of TT systems - the D5 is just too powerful for tubing that small


and the included rad with the tai chi should do fine - you don't need an extra one, 2x120mm is plenty
    
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that DD pump will strugle heavily with the use of the small-ID tubing that the thermaltake system uses

i'd suggest getting a MCP-350/DDC pump and putting adapters on that for the smaller tubing of TT systems - the D5 is just too powerful for tubing that small


and the included rad with the tai chi should do fine - you don't need an extra one, 2x120mm is plenty


Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have direct link to that pump?
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Originally Posted by ProphetX
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have direct link to that pump?
Here's a link to a page with both pumps:

http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=23

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonMango
that DD pump will strugle heavily with the use of the small-ID tubing that the thermaltake system uses
Ah, this is exactly the sort of geeking out that I live for!

Take a look at the flow versus pressure graphs for both pumps:

The burly D5 -- http://www.dangerdenstore.com/files/..._12V_1600w.jpg

and the lower-flow DDC: http://www.dangerdenstore.com/files/...d_gpm_500w.jpg

You'll see that, with zero resistance (infinitely large ID tubing, the right end of the curves), the D5's flow drowns the DDC, even at its lowest potentiometer setting. As expected.

But look what happens if you connect infinitely skinny tubing--the left ends of the curves, where flow is zero. With the D5 on it's highest setting (P5) both pumps put out the same amount of pressure (13 feet) trying in vain to move some water. And on its lowest setting (P1) the D5 is much gentler--it puts out only 10% of the pressure of the DDC--about 1.5 feet!

How's that for going contrary to intuition? The high-flow pump is actually gentler when blocked!

So, the D5 beats the DDC in terms of flow, low-pressure and versatility. The DDC is more compact and, according to user reviews, quieter, though most are quite pleased with the D5's silence.

So, if you have the itch to play with pumps, I recommend the D5. As I said before, I'm thinking it will make little if any difference over your stock pump and be louder, but fun's where the fair is! (Extra points to those who can identify that very obscure quote.)

I hope this helps. Thanks for the opportunity to research, which to a geek is it's own reward.
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