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post #21 of 36
You can think what you like. You said not to listen to me. Then you say that I need to prove myself because you are "right".

LOL - OK, let those who read this thread make the conclusion.

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The reason that PCI-e was created to supersede the AGP technology was that the agp technology didn't work as well as hoped otherwise they would have stayed with the standard. PCI worked and look how long that standard stayed around.

http://www.lostcircuits.com/video/quadro_980/8.shtml

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Originally Posted by LostCircuits.com
Performance gain [in %] of AGP 8X over AGP 4X. The results show that with AGP8X the average gain is somewhere between 2 and 3.6%.
Test Results with graphs on 3d Games.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...=3&id=604&pg=1

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Originally Posted by "HardwareZone.com
Looking at the results, you can say that AGP8X would not be a good reason to upgrade. Gaming in either an AGP8X or AGP4X platform would not give you any difference, thus, it can be said that we've possibly stretched the AGP interface to its limit.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chi...-chipsets.html

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Originally Posted by xbitlabs.com
Nevertheless, the AGP 8x standard is sure to come to the market. But the use of the technology is only interesting in integrated graphics cores with UMA-architecture or for low-end graphics cards with little graphics memory. The bandwidth of the system memory, which, thanks to the AGP technology can be used by the graphics subsystems for their own purposes, should be theoretically increased together with the bandwidth of the AGP bus. That's exactly the main reason for the implementation of AGP 8x. The coming of AGP 8x implies that Value graphics subsystems will have the opportunity to use the system memory for their own needs and thus the performance will grow somewhat bigger.
http://www.sysopt.com/tutorials/arti...2034_3532496_2

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If you've read enough benchmarks, you should have realized by now that cards as new as the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (AGP 8X) barely exceeded available AGP 4X bandwidth, and even then, only under rare conditions.
http://techreport.com/etc/2002q3/gra...m/index.x?pg=1

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Death, in this case, is having to pull textures across the AGP bus' grossly limited bandwidth. AGP 4X, whose bandwidth tops out at 1GB/sec, is far slower than the 8GB/sec of memory bandwidth that the graphics cards have available internally. Even AGP 8X is limited to 2GB/s of memory bandwidth. Bottleneck, anyone?
Now with cards that sport 128MB or 256MB of onboard dram do not need to transfer textures and do not transfer textures across the agp bus because they allready have the necessary storage and it is 4 X faster than agp 8X's theoretical transfer.

Anyone who knows data transfer (hard drives, dram etc) know that once data leaves the controller the theoretical output diminishes in reality. Such is the case and problem with AGP and 8x is no different.

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AND REMEMBER, AMD OVERCLOCKS A MILLION MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN INTEL (just can't take as much heat)
http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...ng-buying.html



A Million Million times better? Check this site. Look around and do some research before you make such outrageous claims.

You say my view is just opinion and then say nobody should listen to me? You then go on to say that your view (opinion) is the correct one?

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post #22 of 36
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Hello. and welcome. I think that i can help you out a lot. first of all, dont listen to this:
not a very nice thing to say mate. you should perhaps measure your words before saying something like that. i mean you might be right but doesnt give you rights to say something like that. u might offend some1.

and i completely agree with what Ropey said about "a million times faster". AMD does in a lot of instances oc well but so does Intel. the difference is which oc is more beneficial?
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post #23 of 36
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Would this RAM work for me? Seems like a good deal:

Corsair VS1GB400C3 1GB DDR400 PC3200 CAS3 Value Select Memory Retail
*** Free 2nd Day ***
MFG SKU: VS1GB400C3
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Question #2:
Which way should my fans be facing? Front is obviously in towards the back of the case, back is pulling air out, side is pulling air out, but what about the one on the top? I don't have a fan there yet but plan on putting one in.
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post #24 of 36
I would think that you would be able to tighten the timings on that ram and it would work fine for you. Your board only supports ddr333 so you would have to overclock to get the 400MHz. If you keep it at stock then you quite possibly will be able to tighten the timings to 2.5-3-3-7.

The top fan should be set to remove the air out of the case so to remove the hot air as heat rises. I would see if I could set it to 5V if it were mine rather than 12V as that will lower the decibels and still remove the hot air.

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post #25 of 36
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I'm only going to replace my RAM if it's needed. The current chips I have are 2.5 3 3 7 but can run at 2 2 2 5; and ran at 189 Mhz when I overclocked with a 5:4 ratio, FSB speed 151. So I should be able to get the FSB to 189 or more with this ram at a 1:1 ratio, correct?
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post #26 of 36
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After some research and checking the top scores in 3dmark2001 SE, I may go with an ASUS P4P800SE board if/when I upgrade the board. It's about 30$ more than the board I had in mind, but I've read nothing but good reviews about it.
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post #27 of 36
Yup buy a decent board for that baby(CPU), it is one of the good o'le overclockers.
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post #28 of 36
Fan setup would be best as follows:

--Front fan sucking air into case
--Back fan depending on top fan... If you DO HAVE a top blowhole the back fan should suck air in, if you DO NOT HAVE a top blowhole the back fan should be blowing air out.
--Side fan (Case door) should be blowing air in, this aids in CPU cooling big time
--Top fan (blowhole) should be blowing air out as heat rises.

If anyone wants be to argue the reasoning for this I will....
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post #29 of 36
I would suggest that the upper rear fan always be oriented for exhaust. Air flow generally works best if the intake an exhaust are balanced or if the exhaust exceeds the intake by just a bit. With fans in the front and potentially on the side, a single blowhole isn't enough to exhause everything. Also, it seems like having a rear intake would cause all kinds of turbulence within the case. A clean line from front to back/top should produce the best results.

Other than that one little thing, I agree completely.
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post #30 of 36
I am sorry, Taeric is correct, I forgot my case is setup the was I described because the front intake fan on my case puts next to nothing in, this is due to a poorly designed front pannel.

So yes, the rear fan should be sucking air out, unless you have the same problem as me.

Edit: also, in addition to that problem, my rear fan blows directly onto my CPU thus aiding more in the CPU cooling.
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