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Those results are only preliminary on a brand new experimental motherboard. After a few months of fine tuning, I'd bet we'll see a large jump in performance.
After a few bugs are worked out, new motherboards from 4 different manufacturers will be available, and each will be better than the experimental mobo being used for the testing, before the new cpu's are sold to the public.
Thank you..

Plus theres still overclocking, which the AM2 processors produce alot less heat.
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I have to concur with what has been already aid: These results are from hardware in development, with an out of date processor.
Yes, the 4800+ that was used was an old chip, before the F revision. If you read the info on the first page entitled "Delay: Memory Controller Revision" you will se what is wrong. This helps to explain the mediocre memory performance in the benchmarks.
Also, as was mentioned above, the motherboard on the 939 test system is a highly evolved production model (A8N 32), while the test bed featured an in production motherboard.
But at least we have an idea now.
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Originally Posted by lenzo
Those results are only preliminary on a brand new experimental motherboard. After a few months of fine tuning, I'd bet we'll see a large jump in performance.
After a few bugs are worked out, new motherboards from 4 different manufacturers will be available, and each will be better than the experimental mobo being used for the testing, before the new cpu's are sold to the public.
Yep, they're all we have to go by so far, but aren't you a little surprised that there was 0 performance increase with the test bed? My main point of posting that was to forum users that were biting the bullet to wait on building a machine. You can wait if you want to or you can buy now and keep an eye out for a super sale. I don't think AM2 is going to be a large jump forward. It'd be nice if I were proved wrong, but AM2 isn't the huge jump forward many thought it would be.
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Yep, they're all we have to go by so far, but aren't you a little surprised that there was 0 performance increase with the test bed? My main point of posting that was to forum users that were biting the bullet to wait on building a machine. You can wait if you want to or you can buy now and keep an eye out for a super sale. I don't think AM2 is going to be a large jump forward. It'd be nice if I were proved wrong, but AM2 isn't the huge jump forward many thought it would be.
Again, how is it fair to compare expiramental test stuff? Its going to be better than it, and besides, its alot cooler than other processors (desktop of course) AMD has out right now.
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Yep, they're all we have to go by so far, but aren't you a little surprised that there was 0 performance increase with the test bed? My main point of posting that was to forum users that were biting the bullet to wait on building a machine. You can wait if you want to or you can buy now and keep an eye out for a super sale. I don't think AM2 is going to be a large jump forward. It'd be nice if I were proved wrong, but AM2 isn't the huge jump forward many thought it would be.
Keep in mind that the new socket AM2 will not come out untill the DDR2 800Mhz ram is finalized and manufactured. That should help boost the overall performance. At least AMD is taking the time to "get the bugs out" before they are sold to the public. I'd expect a solid jump up in performance.
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Newb question but why does the MCT have to be specifically able to support the DDR2-800 speeds? I thought it was just the DDR2 standards, just like how mobos now are rated for DDR-400 but we can run DDR-600 on the board, so why does the new MCT have to be rated for DDR2-800? Am I making sense?
    
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Newb question but why does the MCT have to be specifically able to support the DDR2-800 speeds? I thought it was just the DDR2 standards, just like how mobos now are rated for DDR-400 but we can run DDR-600 on the board, so why does the new MCT have to be rated for DDR2-800? Am I making sense?
It does not have to be rated for DDR2-800 it just will not be an improvement over DDR-400 unless it the MCT is rated for DDR2-800. DDR2-667 is equivalent to DDR-400 and unless the use of DDR2-800 is utilized it will not outperform the Athlon 64 with DDR memory.
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It does not have to be rated for DDR2-800 it just will not be an improvement over DDR-400 unless it the MCT is rated for DDR2-800. DDR2-667 is equivalent to DDR-400 and unless the use of DDR2-800 is utilized it will not outperform the Athlon 64 with DDR memory.
And Intel annouced it will officialy suport DDR2 800, it would be bad for the PR for AMD it they didn't. Still dunno why AMD didn't jump directly to DDR3, since now it's quite clear the K8 doesn't need that much bandwidth and the benefits of passing to ddr2 are too small, at least in single-cpu computers. On the other hand a 4 way dual-core opteron system may see some benefits due to doubling the mem bandwidth in the case of DDR2 800.
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just found an article on DailyTech about the pricing of the new processors.

AMD Desktop Processor Price List
Processor Socket SSBP
Athlon 64 FX-62 AM2 $1,236
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303
Athlon 64 3800+ AM2 $290
Athlon 64 3500+ AM2 $208
Sempron 3600+ AM2 $123
Sempron 3500+ AM2 $109
Sempron 3400+ AM2 $97
Sempron 3000+ AM2 $77
Sempron 2800+ AM2 $67
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post #30 of 126
AM2 better perform coz Conroe is looking pretty handy.
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