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post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by sccr64472
Study power and then come back and repeat your statement. Any device attached to the motherboard will "dirty" the power. Without getting into a technical discussion, this is something that is unavoidable. As far as it not affecting your Overclock, glad to hear it. It "can"
If you run it thru a fan controller at 100% it is going to use the same power as if it is directly connected. And if you have enough power then who gives a crap.
post #12 of 16
On the dirty-ing the power statements: Show me some and I'll believe you. Otherwise I'm going to stick with what they taught me in college (Computer and ELECTRONIC Systems major) and what I have learned in my 20 years with working with PCs. Yes I have been fiddling with PCs since I was 5 with my Dad who was an Industrial Controls Engineer for Nestle and then GE. Again, I will bow down and admit I am wrong if/when I am presented with some proof. Sorry to dirty your thread, but IMO just plug it into the mobo and you'll be fine.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by Renegade5399
On the dirty-ing the power statements: Show me some and I'll believe you. Otherwise I'm going to stick with what they taught me in college (Computer and ELECTRONIC Systems major) and what I have learned in my 20 years with working with PCs. Yes I have been fiddling with PCs since I was 5 with my Dad who was an Industrial Controls Engineer for Nestle and then GE. Again, I will bow down and admit I am wrong if/when I am presented with some proof. Sorry to dirty your thread, but IMO just plug it into the mobo and you'll be fine.
If you actually studied engineering, you would have studied power in great detail. Did you perhaps go to a tech school or a 2 yr community college degree? I'm not poking fun at that, I'm asking because I've never heard of "Electronic systems" as a major. Is that maybe some subset of EE? Without picking apart your above post, consider what you're saying. You're saying that all the power comes from the same source, so it's irrelevant where you plug it in. If that were true and the Engineering community and myself are wrong, why do power supplies have 2 12 volt rails now? Anything plugged into the line will introduce capacitance and inductance, even a wire. Did you study Real and Imaginary Power?
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EDIT: You are so right about how things read! No offense taken. I have always pushed my systems to the limit aka MAX stable OC. But I always made sure I had enough power (PSU wise). And yes the lights do dim when the 'ol fridge fires up. But PC fan motors are different, they don't require the same startup surge as those larger motors do and internally are built on a diffrent concept. I do understand that it could, in theory, affect the board stability. Now we're getting into how good the board makers regulators and such are and that is a case by case basis. Globally, I would have to agree with you, that it could in fact affect the overall performance of the system. Again, I hate how text reads sometimes and sorry if I got you "fired up". Overall, good discussion and sorry for the thread hijack.
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Originally Posted by Renegade5399
OK sccr, there's no need to flame. I asked for proof not rude comments. And yes, you are correct, it is a subset of Electrical Engineering offered as a 4 year program through SUNY Alfred. They offer dual rails for ample power and stability. And I completely understood what you were saying. I was not bashing your theory at all. All I asked for was proof. And what I got was a flame. Again I will ask you for proof. Present me with proof that it will affect his OC and stability as you stated. Don't give me theories and conjecture, give me links, articles anything that proves what your are saying. Pretty simple request I think.
Sorry, that's the shortcomings of typing something as opposed to talking. If you read it as a flame, it was not "reading" the way I meant it to. I didn't mean to flame you at all and I apologize if you felt it was. Back to our discussion though, your comment about it never affecting you was what starting our topic. You're stating that it has never affected it, therefore it won't others. How far are you pushing your current system and how far did you push your past systems that you're basing your judgements on? Having a device with a motor on it plugged into the motherboard will dirty the power, plain and simple. Will it dirty it enough to affect a system not pushed to the edge, probably not. You're asking for proof, but proof of what? Are you stating that unless I can find an article where the tester couldn't OC his cpu because of a system fan hooked up to his motherboard that you don't believe that a DC motor dirties power? Simple engineering can prove that any device will affect power. Doesn't your lights blink when the refrigerator turns on? I'm glad that it hasn't affected you, but hooking up any device to the motherboard 3 pin outlets isn't a good idea. If you want technical discussions on the topic, pick up any EE power book, but be prepared for very complex mathematics. (Imaginary and Real)
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See my edit above.
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