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Let me think about this for a little bit. My friend is buying my paintball gun for $250, so I'll have some money to spend.
Hey, if you have $250 and the inclination, a high flow system (whether the same parts are packaged together as a "kit" (gasp, clutch the pearls), or separately) will perform better than the BigWater--you get what you pay for.

If I had that money to spend, and the inclination to tweak and fab, I'd at a minimum get a kick-ass radiator--either a huge heater core, or the ThermoChill PA-160 or PA120.3. A huge radiator will give you lower temps at lower noise.

But again, get what's best for you.
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if one must buy a kit, then this is what thou shall buyeth....
tis the greatest WC kit giveth by god!
Yep, that's an excellent example of a "kit" that is quality custom parts bundled together--I've read good reviews of it too. DangerDen has a configurator that bundles together "custom" parts into a kit, and takes out much of the guesswork.
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Here we go again. Allow me to offer a differing opinion, from someone who actually owns a Bigwater SE.

The SE is a fine entry level system, and you get what you pay for. It offers easy all-internal installation, low price ($114 at ZipZoomFly), silence (better than most custom rigs), and better cooling than the noisiest air solutions.

"Custom" rigs, or kits with high-flow parts (shhh, don't tell anyone it's a "kit"), offer lower temps for more $, noise, and/or the effort of putting together your own parts and fabricating your own radiator and shroud from a car heater core. If you look at the threads, you'll see Snerp's "Cheap Bastard" homemade-custom system, for about $150--it's a good example of the cheapest homemade-custom system a person could assemble, without smelting their own copper.

Both approaches are worthwhile, rewarding, and with their own tradeoffs. So ignore blanket statements about how kits suck, and custom is always better. Read the stickies here, decide what your preferences are for performance, cost, noise, compactness, and sweat equity, and make your own choice.
"BIG WATER": I don't own one but a good friend of mine has had two, because he didn't learn his lesson the first time! I haven't heard that sort of language from anyone in the last half year. Two 7800GTX's fried. No, he wasn't thrilled at all, nor will he ever praise the "Big Water" ever again. I'd use his advice.
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Originally Posted by lenzo
"BIG WATER": I don't own one but a good friend of mine has had two, because he didn't learn his lesson the first time! I haven't heard that sort of language from anyone in the last half year. Two 7800GTX's fried. No, he wasn't thrilled at all, nor will he ever praise the "Big Water" ever again. I'd use his advice.
Did you ever find out where it leaked? Block? tank? block-or-tank-to fitting? compression-fitting-to-tube? If it was compression-fitting-to-tube, it could have been user error (tightened it down too much), and in any case the info would help us all.
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Originally Posted by DrDeville
Did you ever find out where it leaked? Block? tank? block-or-tank-to fitting? compression-fitting-to-tube? If it was compression-fitting-to-tube, it could have been user error (tightened it down too much), and in any case the info would help us all.
The first waterblock leaked (probably torqued too tight by him, installed by him).
He ordered a second setup and had a local high-end computer store install it for him. It also leaked from the waterblock intake fitting (destroying 2x 7800GTX cards). His A8N SLI mobo eventually dried out and was reusable. He has since gone back to air-cooling methods.
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i purchesed the very kit you guys are talking about after i tried an obortion called kingwin artic liquid cooler.. the bigwater se i found very useful as a starting platform and dropped my temps very nicely.. so far i have not seen any sign of leakage and from the parts that came with it i dont see one coming anytime soon.. and i like the block.. its got a nice clear acrylic top on it with a blue led that lights of the coolant a neon green as you watch it flow through it.. pretty neat stuff.. im a newbie and bought a start kit.. sue me.. i like it oh ya i had to mount the radiator on the back side of my case.. this kit does include a pci gimmick so you can easily run the tubes inside and outside and back inside again with out hacking up your case..
    
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post #27 of 37
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The first waterblock leaked (probably torqued too tight by him, installed by him).
He ordered a second setup and had a local high-end computer store install it for him. It also leaked from the waterblock intake fitting (destroying 2x 7800GTX cards). His A8N SLI mobo eventually dried out and was reusable. He has since gone back to air-cooling methods.
Thanks Lenzo (you don't need my Rep, but you get one anyway )

That's useful information indeed. Yeah, I think the both the ThermalTake waterblock mountings I've owned are sub-par--BigWater SE CPU block, and Aquarius GPU block (not included in the Bigwater SE kit, I bought it separately).

The GPU block is secure and direct enough, but uses direct nut pressure to tension the waterblock, rather than the spring-loaded system I've seen on others. I think that leaves room for use error (and PC shop error). I was gentle with mine, and haven't had a problem. Lenzo gives me something to keep an eye on.

The GPU mounting is just plain flimsy--these screwed on swing-out arms.
Again, I was careful and haven't had a problem, but it didn't give me that secure feeling I expect.

Overall, I'm happy with the BigWater SE so far, but would recommend a different GPU block. I'm told Koolance GPU blocks are compatible with the tubing, but check for yourself.

Hope this helps, and thanks again Lenzo <--what is he looking at?
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post #28 of 37
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Ok so here's the deal. My parents would prefer if i would save some of the money i get from my paintball gun. I've gotta buy a car this summer... and i do agree with them. So i'f i'm going to get a watercooling sytem it's going to be at the most $150 that i'm going to spend. Right now the Big Water is looking like the prime choice. And i have taken into concideration what veryone has said. And if you check out Newegg, the bigwater got 4/5 with 37 reviews. obviosly most of them are pretty positive.
if anyone can suggest another system for under $150 let me know.
post #29 of 37
Cool dude! Seems you're getting your head around the matter.

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Originally Posted by mrreilly
if anyone can suggest another system for under $150 let me know.
For an alternative, consider Snerp's Cheap Bastard system, in a thread here. It will give you a $150 alternative which offers better perfomance than the BigWater, in exchange for more work, noise and size.
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post #30 of 37
The bigwater SE looks like a good starting point , I looked at alot of reviews on it when i was looking to buy my first kit , and there was alot of good things said about it. Another option for around 150 bucks is the bigwater 735, it has bigger tubes than the SE and a higher flow pump . Is it worth the extra 50 bucks, im not sure . http://www.thermaltake.com/product/L...5/cl-w0075.asp

EDIT: I just looked for about 30mins to find one to buy is the US, most of the places that have them are overseas. Looks like you'll have to dig around to find one .
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