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post #31 of 88
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Originally Posted by lenzo
Why spend that amount of money when you could buy cheaper and oc on by?
I'd go top of the line if I had more $.
I've heard of people Oc'ing a 170 to 2.6 on air ( with value ram) .. just imagine.. watercooling oooo awww.... or even! Vapochill OOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
post #32 of 88
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Originally Posted by stevo1663
I've heard of people Oc'ing a 170 to 2.6 on air ( with value ram) .. just imagine.. watercooling oooo awww.... or even! Vapochill OOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Agreed, but I'd prefer an Opteron 165, and using the difference in cost to purchase better ram (which can always be used later in another rig) to oc well past 2.6ghz.
They're all good!
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post #33 of 88
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Originally Posted by SideTraKd
Awesome. You guys have sent me back to the drawing board, for sure.

HUGE help!!!

I wasn't too sure about the case, either. And the PSU I was worried about being able to support SLi.


I have one general question and one question directed at one43637...

The general question is

What would you say the differences are between the...
AMD Opteron 180 Denmark 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor
and the...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor?
(both run at 2.4ghz)


And the second question is directed at one43637, because youre using the same MB that I want to get... Are you satisfied with it? Any advice on it?
Okay...the difference between the two processors is that one has a Denmark core and one has a Toledo core. Since the dual cores are relatively new there hasn't been as much testing and comparing for overclocking between the dual core optys and the X2s as there has for the single core optys and the single core A64 line.

But, since Opterons are made for servers they go through more rigorous testing so they are in general more stable, and run cooler. They are also known to overclock better. If it was me, I would not go with the 4800 or the 180 because IMO they're both ripoffs for what you get. I would save some money and get the Opteron 170
I've heard great things about it overclocking and you'll save yourself close to $300 on it over the Opteron 180. Which you could spend on watercooling, which would get you a lot better overclock then buying the 180.

Also, about the motherboards. It seems like you're pretty set on getting the A8N32, but if you're going to overclock I would really recommend a DFI. You probably want the Asus because of the dual x16 slots, but performance wise it barely makes a difference. If you really want to overclock the crap out of your new system, a DFI would be a neccessity. This is the top of the line DFI, the SLI-DR Expert, it is superb for overclocking but if you were to buy I would read up at dfi-street first becuase it does have problems with certain components.
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post #34 of 88
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lenzo
Opteron 175 at over $500. seems spendy to me.
Whatever you do, the more Cache the processor has, the more performance you'll get as it helps your memory.
You really cant go wrong with any of the dual cores though, they are all better than Intels.
Good links for helpful articles:
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www.madshrimps.com
www.xbitlabs.com
and many others available listed in our forums here. Our search tool is also very helpful. Happy shopping!

Sweet... thanks man
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post #35 of 88
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Originally Posted by SideTraKd
Awesome. You guys have sent me back to the drawing board, for sure.

HUGE help!!!

I wasn't too sure about the case, either. And the PSU I was worried about being able to support SLi.


I have one general question and one question directed at one43637...

The general question is

What would you say the differences are between the...
AMD Opteron 180 Denmark 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor
and the...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor?
(both run at 2.4ghz)


And the second question is directed at one43637, because youre using the same MB that I want to get... Are you satisfied with it? Any advice on it?
Opterons are selected to be server chips. some people will tell you that they're made with "better" silicon, but i think they're the same chips that pass more rigorous tests. the only reason i would buy a 180 over my 175 is because of the multiplier, but i personally couldn't justify the huge gap in price.

yes, i'm quite satisfied with my motherboard. it's stable, and has all the options i could ask for. i dont plan on getting SLI yet, because my eVGA card allows me to step up within 3 months of my original purchase to a newer card so i'm hoping for a 7900GTX. at this point in time i'm leaning towards a silent machine, and the loudest thing is the fan for my video card. i plan on replacing that very shortly.

i'm on the mild side when it comes to OCing. no water or phase here, just air. if you're not comfortable with overclocking, just use the overclocking profiles in the BIOS. you can select 1,3,5 & 10% and leave the rest of the settings on Auto.
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Okay, after having gotten much good advice from several people here (THANK YOU ALL!!!)... I have respec'd the build to this...

ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce SPP 100 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail$224.99

Processor:
AMD Opteron 175 Denmark 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model OSA175CDBOX - Retail$504.00

Memory:
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Platinum System Memory Model OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K - Retail$219.99

Video Card:
eVGA 256-P2-N529-AX Geforce 7800GTX 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail$489.00
eVGA 256-P2-N529-AX Geforce 7800GTX 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail$489.00

Sound Card:
Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail$283.00

Speakers:
Creative GigaWorks S750 700 Watts 7.1 Speaker - Retail$429.99

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM$154.00
Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD4000YR 400GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 RAID-specific Hard Drive - OEM$209.00
Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD4000YR 400GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 RAID-specific Hard Drive - OEM$209.00

External Enclosure:
Athena Power EB-2215C 2.5" USB + IEEE 1394 External Enclosure - Retail$32.99

Case:
Thermaltake Tai-Chi VB5001SNA Black/ Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case with liquid cooling system - Retail$429.99

Power Supply Unit:
OCZ PowerStream OCZ520ADJSLI 520W Power Supply - Retail$139.99

UPS:
OPTI-UPS Enhanced Series ES1000C 1000VA 700W UPS - Retail$116.49

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Logitech G7 931375-0403 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1x Wheel USB RF Laser Mouse - Retail$64.98

Monitor:
SAMSUNG 244t-Black 24" 6ms (G to G) LCD Monitor - Retail$1,354.99



Can anyone else see any possible issues or tweaks that would be obvious to the more experienced eye..?
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Thermaltake Tai-Chi = Ripoff

You should either go with :

Lian-Li V1000B Plus - $208.99

Thermaltake Xaser
- $149.99

Thermaltake Shark - $169.00

Lian-Li PC-65B - $125.00

And go with your own watercooling setup. Preferably, you should get a custom watercooling setup for your case, and if you need any help with that I'm sure I or any of the other great guys at overclock.net could help you out. Or, if you're not comfortable setting your own watercooling I would recommend the Thermaltake Bigwater SE.

Also, IMO you should get the eVGA 256-P2-N527 7800GTXs because they're $50 cheaper and the same exact card, just one has higher factory overclocking settings. I'm not sure if you wanted to watercool your whole system or just your CPU. Because the Tai-Chi's watercooling setup only comes with a CPU block, and same with the kit I recommended you. If you decided to go custom, you would probably get blocks for your GPUs. So if you're planning to go air cooling for the 7800s then get the Arctic Cooling NV5R3, it's cheap and it dropped my idle and load temps on my GTX 20*!

EDIT: Also, that PSU is great but that is a lot of stuff to power, and I'm not sure if it can handle it well, not to mention it only has 2 SATA connectors and you have three HDDs! If you can spend $70 more you should get the PC Power & Cooling 510W.

Well, there's my two cents for you.
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wow and i thought my case was big and heavy. 20kg!...
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post #39 of 88
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Originally Posted by Dopin_Nuts
Thermaltake Tai-Chi = Ripoff

You should either go with :

Lian-Li V1000B Plus - $208.99

Thermaltake Xaser
- $149.99

Thermaltake Shark - $169.00

Lian-Li PC-65B - $125.00

And go with your own watercooling setup. Preferably, you should get a custom watercooling setup for your case, and if you need any help with that I'm sure I or any of the other great guys at overclock.net could help you out. Or, if you're not comfortable setting your own watercooling I would recommend the Thermaltake Bigwater SE.

Also, IMO you should get the eVGA 256-P2-N527 7800GTXs because they're $50 cheaper and the same exact card, just one has higher factory overclocking settings. I'm not sure if you wanted to watercool your whole system or just your CPU. Because the Tai-Chi's watercooling setup only comes with a CPU block, and same with the kit I recommended you. If you decided to go custom, you would probably get blocks for your GPUs. So if you're planning to go air cooling for the 7800s then get the Arctic Cooling NV5R3, it's cheap and it dropped my idle and load temps on my GTX 20*!

Well, there's my two cents for you.
Why would a guy go full bore with a great system and install a low-end "BIG WATER" system when there are numerous others only several dollars more expensive that trounce the "Big Water" in performance and PROVEN QUALITY?
Stick to air cooling for now. Its easier to manage your case without water-cooling.
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post #40 of 88
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Originally Posted by lenzo
Why would a guy go full bore with a great system and install a low-end "BIG WATER" system when there are numerous others only several dollars more expensive that trounce the "Big Water" in performance and PROVEN QUALITY?
Stick to air cooling for now. Its easier to manage your case without water-cooling.
That's actually the ONLY reason that I was going to go ahead with this particular CPU block cooling case... because it's already mounted and pretty simple to install, and anything deeper into the liquid cooling realm would probably be too much for me, at this stage. Management was my main concern.

Plus I think it just looks wicked... lol

Beyond that, I think I would drop back down to air cooling and go with a shark case... like you say...
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