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Hai thar

I just downloaded it and fooled around in VMWare for a bit and I find it pretty stable/fast and neat. I have a couple of suggestions though.

- WLAN drivers
- GPU drivers (or is it already included?)
- Flash player installed
- Screen properties
- Sound
- WINE

After all that I could use it as a main OS on a computer.

I don't really know much about Linux, but I just thought id give it a try and see how it was. Artwork was very neat though, and 0.04 was very fast to boot!

Sanders out
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If it were not for compatibility with applications, Linux would be THE OS to have.

I've consulted and developed for a wide range of operating systems in my career, and I've used Linux and FreeBSD VM's to simulate development for IBM's RS6000 computers (still have a few clients using those).

It is still "cryptic" compared to what end users expect, but OSX demonstrated that can be rendered irrelevant.

Many people don't take this view, especially Apple users (some don't even know), but OSX is based on FreeBSD Unix, the forefather of Linux.

From an application standpoint, I can hardly tell Linux from FreeBSD about 80% of the time.

Alas, however, the reason we're all tethered to Windows are a few applications and their dependence on DirectX, which is a reasonably powerful API.

If, on the other hand, developers would just drop Windows centric builds, we'd all have a choice.

And even with that, many do and just don't realize it. If users are primarily interested in Web, Word Processing, email, video viewing...they wouldn't really know Linux from anything else, because they don't really pay attention. If they can click a few icons and browse for files, the only "thing" they have to be taught to "drop" is the notion of drive letters.

There really is no good technical reason to develop applications that only install and run on Windows, and even less (when they do) to insist on a particular version of Windows.

I recently installed Adobe CS5 for a client, and discovered that while most of the suite installed fine on XP 64bit, the Adobe Premiere application wouldn't...demanded a "newer version" of Windows. Technically there's no good reason...I know, I make these kinds of applications. Further, the entire suite is built to install and run on OSX, and I'm absolutely certain if they're prepared to do THAT, they could have also built a target for Linux.

They simply didn't, and it doesn't make any sense.

That trend floats around, and it makes all of us bound to pay what I think is triple the value of the OS to Microsoft.

While I don't think it's necessary to use a free distribution, Apple's $30 is subsidized by hardware sales, so a fair cost for development of a truly consumer ready distro of Linux would be valued to around $50?

It would take that to compete in such a way that developers of the mainstay applications would bother to build targets for it - they apparently have to be "shmoozed" into targeting a platform.
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Hai thar

I just downloaded it and fooled around in VMWare for a bit and I find it pretty stable/fast and neat. I have a couple of suggestions though.

- WLAN drivers
- GPU drivers (or is it already included?)
- Flash player installed
- Screen properties
- Sound
- WINE

After all that I could use it as a main OS on a computer.

I don't really know much about Linux, but I just thought id give it a try and see how it was. Artwork was very neat though, and 0.04 was very fast to boot!

Sanders out
[/quote]
We can not include Flash for legal reasons. You're more than welcome to download it by opening a terminal (right click and chose terminal) and typing in
Code:
sudo pacman -Syy
sudo pacman -S flashplugin
The password is ocnix.

- WLAN drivers (To be included)
- GPU drivers (or is it already included?) (To be included)
- Flash player installed (See above)
- Screen properties (Will be available with drivers)
- Sound (Might be included)
- WINE (Maybe)
[quote=nathris;9609041]Which distro? There's no such thing as just "linux".

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Originally Posted by aCe_eXtreME View Post
hmm have fun with audio drivers.... i am assuming you are using the xfi?
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I think he's talking about Ubuntu. He says 10.04 in the OP.
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If it were not for compatibility with applications, Linux would be THE OS to have.

I've consulted and developed for a wide range of operating systems in my career, and I've used Linux and FreeBSD VM's to simulate development for IBM's RS6000 computers (still have a few clients using those).

It is still "cryptic" compared to what end users expect, but OSX demonstrated that can be rendered irrelevant.

Many people don't take this view, especially Apple users (some don't even know), but OSX is based on FreeBSD Unix, the forefather of Linux.

From an application standpoint, I can hardly tell Linux from FreeBSD about 80% of the time.

Alas, however, the reason we're all tethered to Windows are a few applications and their dependence on DirectX, which is a reasonably powerful API.

If, on the other hand, developers would just drop Windows centric builds, we'd all have a choice.

And even with that, many do and just don't realize it. If users are primarily interested in Web, Word Processing, email, video viewing...they wouldn't really know Linux from anything else, because they don't really pay attention. If they can click a few icons and browse for files, the only "thing" they have to be taught to "drop" is the notion of drive letters.

There really is no good technical reason to develop applications that only install and run on Windows, and even less (when they do) to insist on a particular version of Windows.

I recently installed Adobe CS5 for a client, and discovered that while most of the suite installed fine on XP 64bit, the Adobe Premiere application wouldn't...demanded a "newer version" of Windows. Technically there's no good reason...I know, I make these kinds of applications. Further, the entire suite is built to install and run on OSX, and I'm absolutely certain if they're prepared to do THAT, they could have also built a target for Linux.

They simply didn't, and it doesn't make any sense.

That trend floats around, and it makes all of us bound to pay what I think is triple the value of the OS to Microsoft.

While I don't think it's necessary to use a free distribution, Apple's $30 is subsidized by hardware sales, so a fair cost for development of a truly consumer ready distro of Linux would be valued to around $50?

It would take that to compete in such a way that developers of the mainstay applications would bother to build targets for it - they apparently have to be "shmoozed" into targeting a platform.
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yeah well doesnt stop people from buying macs. its the same thing with macs man.
if someone were able to market like apple with linux it would be alot more common.

you have to research your hardware compatibility BEFORE you do it, or go into it with nothing to lose (its free) and alot to learn. linux is work to get yourself 95/100% working but its worth it once you do. google is your best friend when learning


have fun and dont get pissed if something doesnt work right off, if its worked for someone else you can get it to work for yourself.
Did any of you read the url?

http://www.overclock.net/ocnix/ 750029-linux-noob-first-impressions.html
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lol, i think this thread needs to be closed.
PEOPLE read everything before you post!
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Thinking about it we could use gnash or some other free Flash implementation to provide the Flash in OCNix. Sound should work out-of-the-box, if not, I'll ask nicely if alsa-utils could be included with the install, so that you can fix the mixer manually. I don't think we need WINE as it's actually quite large and beefs up the install a good deal. If you want it, do a 'sudo pacman -Sy wine' in a console to install it. Of course, it's a LiveCD, so it'll disappear if you reboot.
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Thinking about it we could use gnash or some other free Flash implementation to provide the Flash in OCNix. Sound should work out-of-the-box, if not, I'll ask nicely if alsa-utils could be included with the install, so that you can fix the mixer manually. I don't think we need WINE as it's actually quite large and beefs up the install a good deal. If you want it, do a 'sudo pacman -Sy wine' in a console to install it. Of course, it's a LiveCD, so it'll disappear if you reboot.
Gnash is the equivalent to Flash 8 right? I don't think that is going to work for most people.

And why do we need flash in a benchmarking/stress testing distro? Unless we are going to use flash to stress test the cpu!
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Gnash is the equivalent to Flash 8 right? I don't think that is going to work for most people.

And why do we need flash in a benchmarking/stress testing distro? Unless we are going to use flash to stress test the cpu!
Gnash should work for the most basic stuff. It's fairly small as well, if I remember correctly.
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