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about freaking time IMO
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Not sure if this is related or not to EFI but in my experience with fixing Mac laptops, a lot of them just randomly don't power up for no reason at all and I believe it could possibly be a corrupted EFI.
    
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
No. BIOS chip doesn't have enough memory.... and there are probably other limitations as the chips are probably different.
But the BIOS chip could be change to one that has more space, right?
is the any other thing that would stop a BIOS board from running UEFI ?
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post #144 of 166
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
Yes, I have the resources quite easily, but it's wasting them because a GUI is a completely and utterly useless add on to the boot process, the entire point (Apart from GPT and boot drives above 2Tb) is because its faster than BIOS, but don't let that stop you from loading it down with a GUI that only slows down the people that are meant to be in there in the first place.


And I do want computers being easier to use, but mucking around with the BIOS settings? Well, so far from what I've seen of the general population, I'm surprised we don't have warning labels on hammers saying "WARNING: HURTS IF YOU HIT YOURSELF"
Basically, your entire arguement rests on the point that you want the BIOS navigation to more difficult? That would just be a GUI.

I do EVGA help desk on the side and making the BIOS navigation would make the job EASIER. Basically, anyone who access it would access it anyway and anyone who wouldn't doesn't.

What is stopping people from messing up their BIOS settings today? "Complexity"? That is an extremely weak arguement.... Throw up an artifical wall of difficulty does not do much against people who break things but makes diagnoistics much harder.
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I was on the fence a little bit, but now I'm all for UEFI and an improved GUI. I've come up with these conclusions.

1. Most people don't know what a BIOS is or how to access it currently. That won't change.
2. OEM's don't allow overclock and have limited BIOS settings, so your average mom using a Dell isn't going to put 2V on the CPU.
3. People little to no tech. knowledge (grandma's and children) are far less dangerous than people with mid tech. knowledge (people on this forum). You can easily set a password to prevent the first group from doing harm, while the second group can find ways around it. Having a better GUI isn't going to make the noob more likely to screw their hardware up. People can do far more damage by downloading viruses off the internet.
4. I'm fine with a GUI as long as its not bloated and slow. It will most likely be something like what you see on wireless routers.
5. Don't be afraid of change.
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post #146 of 166
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
My point is the CMOS definitely looks like an area that you're not meant to access, adding a GUI completely removes that.

Also, lrn2read, I'm not against the UEFI as a whole, I'm against adding the GUI as its just a complete waste of space and is bloat, which is one of the reasons to replace the BIOS, it's like replacing Windows with OS X, sure you get less bloat but you still have bloat.
good work ignoring my point. Also, if a UI can be added like that, it can almost certainly be modded back to a pretty blue screen with white text.
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To Brutus and the "Kid entering my bios argument". Err, passwords were made for a reason. They still exist.
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Originally Posted by triallen View Post
I was on the fence a little bit, but now I'm all for UEFI and an improved GUI. I've come up with these conclusions.

1. Most people don't know what a BIOS is or how to access it currently. That won't change.
2. OEM's don't allow overclock and have limited BIOS settings, so your average mom using a Dell isn't going to put 2V on the CPU.
3. People little to no tech. knowledge (grandma's and children) are far less dangerous than people with mid tech. knowledge (people on this forum). You can easily set a password to prevent the first group from doing harm, while the second group can find ways around it. Having a better GUI isn't going to make the noob more likely to screw their hardware up. People can do far more damage by downloading viruses off the internet.
4. I'm fine with a GUI as long as its not bloated and slow. It will most likely be something like what you see on wireless routers.
5. Don't be afraid of change.

Good points
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Originally Posted by Daney View Post
Might not be a good reason but the UEFI seems too "noob", I prefer looking at a blue screen filled with text. That's what I love about technology, the time when everything becomes all GUI and images, I won't love IT as much.
Nostalgic protecionism for the win.

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post #150 of 166
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
My point is the CMOS definitely looks like an area that you're not meant to access, adding a GUI completely removes that.
The BIOS was designed before computers even had GUI OS. Believe it or not, computers in the 1980s were mostly all text based and looked like the CMOS screen. Text editors look like the CMOS screen. By your logic, computers are something that is not safe to access in the 1980s.

Text based UI and CLI was how we rolled back in the day.
Edited by Riou - 6/10/10 at 1:16am
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