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Pawn it off and buy a new one. Asus and Auzen both make PCIe cards now, and have for some time.
give me $70 to spend and i will, until then mind your own business.
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Apple made the switch to EFI with the around the release of Leopard 10.5 I believe.
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MSI isn't big enough to push the industry.... Even Intel isn't....

Asustek or Gigabyte need to make the complete move.
WUT Asustek is that big?

Gigabytew WUUUT> that crappy website full of lagg is that big / bigger/bit smaller as Asustek?


and yeh i am Asus Fanboi
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WUT Asustek is that big?

Gigabytew WUUUT> that crappy website full of lagg is that big / bigger/bit smaller as Asustek?


and yeh i am Asus Fanboi
For an Asus fanboy I would have thought you would know that Asustek makes motherboards under several brand names including Asustek, Asus, AsRock, as well as OEM boards for a TON of pc makers. If all of Asustek switched to UEFI then it would make a huge encentive for the rest of the market to follow.
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its somewhat true about asus, they make motherboards for loads of oem company's, dell has a contract with them i believe
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post #156 of 166
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give me $70 to spend and i will, until then mind your own business.
so we should stop progress because a few people have PCI soundcards. Wow. Why did we ever stop using AGP?
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Basically, your entire arguement rests on the point that you want the BIOS navigation to more difficult? That would just be a GUI.

I do EVGA help desk on the side and making the BIOS navigation would make the job EASIER. Basically, anyone who access it would access it anyway and anyone who wouldn't doesn't.

What is stopping people from messing up their BIOS settings today? "Complexity"? That is an extremely weak arguement.... Throw up an artifical wall of difficulty does not do much against people who break things but makes diagnoistics much harder.
Then make it like that for OEM machines, using mouse and keyboard is slower than using one or the other alone and in the world of building and repairing computers for other people, speed is everything, I don't want to be slowed down simply because Rodger Computer Illiterate can't handle not having a GUI while on the phone, putting it in motherboards for non-OEMs (I.e. 90% of ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, etc's sales) is completely useless and like UAC in Windows Vista, sure, it adds some extra security, but it does it at the expense of making even the most simple tasks take longer because you have to confirm it.

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good work ignoring my point. Also, if a UI can be added like that, it can almost certainly be modded back to a pretty blue screen with white text.
And you've been ignoring my point this whole time.

Why add it to just about any Gigabyte, ASUS, eVGA, etc motherboard that we, or small computer stores usually buy? Most of the OEMs just make their own or get a licensed one from one a large maker of motherboards that we can't buy anyway, even the ultra high end Alienware ones, it just slows everything down because a mouse is not needed.

And generally, that's also known as bloat...And one of the positives of UEFI vs BIOS that Duckie mentioned was less bloat, so why add this pointless bloat? It's like those boot screen logos, sure, it looks nice, but I'm sure nearly everyone disables it and I noticed, on my board at least, it does increase boot time a little.

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To Brutus and the "Kid entering my bios argument". Err, passwords were made for a reason. They still exist.
So now I have to add a password to the CMOS on my home computer simply because some people go "O NOEZ NO GUI MAKES ME UNHAPPY"?

Once again, give me a real reason why there should be a GUI on non-OEM motherboards.

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The BIOS was designed before computers even had GUI OS. Believe it or not, computers in the 1980s were mostly all text based and looked like the CMOS screen. Text editors look like the CMOS screen. By your logic, computers are something that is not safe to access in the 1980s.

Text based UI and CLI was how we rolled back in the day.
I know that, I was only born in the early 90's but I grew up on my Aunts AMD 386DX-40 using DOS and occasionally Windows 3.1, until I got my Cyrix 6x86 PR150 with Windows 95 (Later upgraded to 98 and eventually, XP), so yeah, I know quite a bit about old computers and not using a GUI.

And back in the 1980's, were computers as common as they are now? No, why? Because they weren't easy to use, Windows 3.1 came out, general people started getting computers, then 95 came out and the popularity exploded.
    
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Then make it like that for OEM machines, using mouse and keyboard is slower than using one or the other alone and in the world of building and repairing computers for other people, speed is everything, I don't want to be slowed down simply because Rodger Computer Illiterate can't handle not having a GUI while on the phone, putting it in motherboards for non-OEMs (I.e. 90% of ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, etc's sales) is completely useless and like UAC in Windows Vista, sure, it adds some extra security, but it does it at the expense of making even the most simple tasks take longer because you have to confirm it.



And you've been ignoring my point this whole time.

Why add it to just about any Gigabyte, ASUS, eVGA, etc motherboard that we, or small computer stores usually buy? Most of the OEMs just make their own or get a licensed one from one a large maker of motherboards that we can't buy anyway, even the ultra high end Alienware ones, it just slows everything down because a mouse is not needed.

And generally, that's also known as bloat...And one of the positives of UEFI vs BIOS that Duckie mentioned was less bloat, so why add this pointless bloat? It's like those boot screen logos, sure, it looks nice, but I'm sure nearly everyone disables it and I noticed, on my board at least, it does increase boot time a little.



So now I have to add a password to the CMOS on my home computer simply because some people go "O NOEZ NO GUI MAKES ME UNHAPPY"?

Once again, give me a real reason why there should be a GUI on non-OEM motherboards.



I know that, I was only born in the early 90's but I grew up on my Aunts AMD 386DX-40 using DOS and occasionally Windows 3.1, until I got my Cyrix 6x86 PR150 with Windows 95 (Later upgraded to 98 and eventually, XP), so yeah, I know quite a bit about old computers and not using a GUI.

And back in the 1980's, were computers as common as they are now? No, why? Because they weren't easy to use, Windows 3.1 came out, general people started getting computers, then 95 came out and the popularity exploded.
Not needed? Really? You're missing the entire point of UEFI. the GUI is just a small side point that you're fighting tooth and nail; and it's almost certain to be optional.
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Not needed? Really? You're missing the entire point of UEFI. the GUI is just a small side point that you're fighting tooth and nail; and it's almost certain to be optional.
Not to mention he goes on and on about the resource waste and how it'll add boot time yet GUIs take very little effort to implement these days and you'd only be using it when going into the UEFI settings, not when actually booting.
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BIOS is a 20+ year old piece of code.... there is a lot of junk, limitations, and workarounds in there.
No kidding. The BIOS on a pentium 3's motherboard is practically identical to my EP45.


I hate it when there's a better way of doing something and it just doesn't happen because people are too lazy to implement it, think it would be too hard or just because they think that what we have already is satisfactory enough anyway.
Edited by Intrepid93 - 6/11/10 at 5:06am
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