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Originally Posted by chatch15117 View Post
So before I read this article - let me guess... something like EFI?
EFI became UEFI once Intel handed it over to a working group.

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Originally Posted by mothergoose729 View Post
How many times has this been predicted? My guess is that the bios will probably still be around as long as the motherboard continues to be a relevant as a all-in-one system bus. I am thinking at least ten more years. These fancy EFI's don't provide any extra functionality. If you are in the bios in the first place, that is all you care about.

Maybe more instant boot stuff, but the text based bios is plenty sufficient.
HDD over 2TB are pushing EFI since BIOS can't do GPT.
SSDs are also pushing EFI as it takes longer to POST than actually loading the OS.




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Originally Posted by Lefty67 View Post
I dont know that much about BIOS except for messing around with settings and such. But whats wrong with BIOS? Why does it need to be replaced?
BIOS is a 20+ year old piece of code.... there is a lot of junk, limitations, and workarounds in there.
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Legacy BIOS can't boot directly from a GPT disk AFAIK. Itanium systems have been using EFI so they can boot with GPT volumes. GPT is used for disks that need partitions greater than 2TB. Also, it theoretically allows unlimited partitions(But Windows limits it to 128, I think).
Correct.

I wanna boot from a 3tb partition but cant :'(
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UEFI adds another layer to it. BIOS was simple text based. as simple as you could get. why does it need to be changed? all i see coming out of this is "bios themes" on deviantart and a billion bios updates.

instead of a gui thing cant they just rewrite BIOS from scratch?
    
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UEFI adds another layer to it. BIOS was simple text based. as simple as you could get. why does it need to be changed? all i see coming out of this is "bios themes" on deviantart and a billion bios updates.

GEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ........ please go back and read. It has been mentioned at least 6 times why.
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GEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ........ please go back and read. It has been mentioned at least 6 times why.
just did that.
    
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BIOS is also slooooooooooooooow.
And that my friend is the million dollar statement. If you weren't an FM +1 to you.
My 680i will load bios in 5 or 6 secs. X58=10. I remember P4P800 had 2-page bios, compared to my X58 IDK 12-20 pages.
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If you weren't an FM +1 to you.
lul
    
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I wonder if all these people that are afraid of a newer interface(couldn't think of a another common name between the two) to your overclocking you PC that could be faster and more stable are also afraid of newer OS/CPU/GPU etc... Heck, watch out, those newer SSD are really scary, don't make the switch!

Just trying to point out that technology advances...
 
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Why does everything need to put their 2c and say something is going to die? Like PC Gaming, etc.? Shoot, PS/2 ports are finally disappearing from motherboards. :/
Finally? PS/2 is WAY better than USB for keyboards.

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Any good reason why?
The BIOS is meant to be one of those areas where the enthusiast or technician go into only, and the consumer never goes in unless under instruction from one of those two, point and click makes things a lot harder for something as simple as a BIOS.

I agree that we need a BIOS replacement, but the point and click is an unneeded waste of resources.

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Originally Posted by Nagoshi View Post
The BIOS as we use it is already a middle layer. Unless you enter your data directly into your CMOS chip using another kind of middle-layer... The "BIOS" interface will simply move from a 16-color keyboard and character-based interface to a mouse-and-keyboard pixel-based fully colored interface.
Which we do not need and would in fact hinder the industry, why? Because when you're using one input peripheral, you're a lot faster than if you use two. (Mouse to select stuff and keyboard to type/alter values.)

Once again, I'm all for getting rid of the BIOS, but making it look pretty, giving it a GUI and mouse support? That's just asking for trouble from the unwashed masses.

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Originally Posted by Daney View Post
Might not be a good reason but the UEFI seems too "noob", I prefer looking at a blue screen filled with text. That's what I love about technology, the time when everything becomes all GUI and images, I won't love IT as much.
^ This is what I mean, it seems mroe based around letting the same kind of people who use limewire to download a 26Kb version of GTA San Andreas and then blame Windows for the viruses on their computer.

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
You can make an UEFI interface look like BIOS...


Question: Why don't you modify the BIOS assembly directly instead of using the text interface?
Question: Do you still exclusively use the OS command line? If no, why not?
But it's not up to us, its up to the motherboard makers, isn't it? I can understand giving noobs the point and click one from a support, but it will slow down techies, etc if you're stuck with a clunky mouse interface, my mums old IBM Thinkpad had something like it (Until I formatted the HDD, oddly enough) and it was horrid to use compared to the Blue and Yellow screen on my computer.

Note: I agree with the need to replace the BIOS, but I disagree with the point and click interface (As do most of the people against UEFI from what I can see), it slows us techies and enthusiasts down (The people who are MEANT to be in the BIOS area) to make it easier for the unwashed masses. (The people that aren't meant to be in the BIOS)

Best way to make it good for techies and consumers, add UEFI with the normal text from the old BIOS on non-Dell, HP, etc motherboards, with every possible option tweakable, for the OEM boards, have the slow, clunky mouse interface, but have it passworded and make it so you get the password when you call up Support, rather than having it so Little Johnny can try to boot off his USB stick and then wonders why Windows doesn't load any more (And blames it on not having a Mac too, I bet).
Or at least remove just about every option other than Boot Order, Virtualization and Time.
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Lol. Kind of like all of the teachers in my school district who were yelling at us for installing the Smartboards in their rooms. So many of them were utterly refusing to switch over because they didn't know how they worked. They were able to take 3, 5 hour classes, getting a full day of pay for each, and they still refused to even go to those.
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