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What's the old saying?

Don't do anything you wouldn't want your grandmother to find out you were doing?

Not all of your "private actions" always remain private.

I believe that when I was just a child, I was taught that your true character was how you acted when no one was looking. I choose to believe this is true and try to act accordingly.
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post #52 of 80
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What's the old saying?

Don't do anything you wouldn't want your grandmother to find out you were doing?

Not all of your "private actions" always remain private.

I believe that when I was just a child, I was taught that your true character was how you acted when no one was looking. I choose to believe this is true and try to act accordingly.
Everyone has a right to privacy. This is vitally important as the second the government can see what we are doing all the time, they have absolute control over us. The Govenrnment should never have absolute control - the second they do, we no longer have freedom, or if we do, it is at their mercy, which isn't true freedom.

I understand what you are saying, but that is a good notion for personal morals, not for laws and justice.
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Now here we have Specialist Joe Snuffy here who is just leaking secrets at random. Something very important might have been in there like the code name of a FLUXKING OPERATION!!!! Are you kidding me? That puts your fellow servicemen at risk!! He deserves this. I'm sorry if his intentions were to show covered up embarasments of the US military, but he has a damn obligation. It's not that bad that he has to go do something like this.

FYI I was in for four years and did a year in Iraq. I didn't love it all and I saw and heard of things that I don't mention because I don't see how anything good would come of them if I talked about it. Plus I don't have anyway to back them up LOL. But it isn't my call to talk about them more than anything else.
Yeah seriously, him putting me and all my brothers and sisters in arms at risk really pisses me off. I really hope they put this guy away for the rest of his natural life.




Anyway, people need to know that being in the military and wearing the uniform means you represent the country. Military personnel are barred from publicly criticizing both the government's and the military's actions.
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Albeit the only real thing they ever "exposed" was the Apache video and it's not like we didn't know that was happening before.
Ahhhh Yes, the infamous apache video...I knew this was happening the whole time YouTube- the dance of apache by will smith
    
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I think the truth is that most people cant handle the truth. If everything that we are task to do as a soldier where all out in the open, then there would always be someone there to stop it. We are required to do things that you might cosider wrong but it needs to be done to get results. By results I mean make it safer for our countrymen. Look at the torture policies. The program was there to get results and when it became public a lot of people didnt/dont understand why it was/is a important instrument during war. I think its horrible yet if I was put into a room and told to do it to someone who had info that could affect the life of someone im sworn to protect I would not think twice about doing it. I have mixed feeling about alot of things the miltary does but understand that someone has to get their hands dirty and if its not me then imma shut up and me happy its not me. Having feelings is one thing but giving up secrets is the ultimate no no. Put that guy against the wall and shoot him if he did it. If you dont wanna be the one to pull the trigger give me the gun and I will do it.
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Yeah seriously, him putting me and all my brothers and sisters in arms at risk really pisses me off. I really hope they put this guy away for the rest of his natural life.




Anyway, people need to know that being in the military and wearing the uniform means you represent the country. Military personnel are barred from publicly criticizing both the government's and the military's actions.
I personally think that's insane. The people in the military should be there voicing their opinions.

In the past, it was considered wrong for a soldier to ever question an order, now, if an order is considered wrong (shoot that unarmed civilian, etc...) soldiers are told to question it. This is important as it stops one person at the top doing terrible things.

With the military, those people need to be able to speak out so that the military doesn't abuse it's power.

Blind faith and following is never a good idea. Love your country because you believe in it's ideals and the way it is run. Loving your country because you were born there is pointless. By that logic, the best way to love your country is to point out when it is wrong.

It all boils down to what you believe in first. Security or Freedom. I personally believe freedom is the most important thing possible. We should never accept an innocent person being punished, killed, imprisoned or any such thing, even if it costs us some security.
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You'd only be surprised if you believed soldiers were saints and heroes rather than killers that follow orders (and are quite capable of atrocities even without direct orders).
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You shouldn't be doing something in private that you wouldn't want other knowing about.

What the hacker did is wrong and he should feel terrible. The American people have every right to know what it's government is doing.
They would if the military would just stop mowing the press down with 30mm high explosive rounds. Everyone is complaining about the press not giving us the full story but they are literally dying in the attempt. Intel's hard on for post production video processing scares the crap out of me. I can see them taking all these videos and replacing 200mm camera lenses with RPG's. to make what the soldiers say match what you are watching.
The military is nothing more than a violent gang who will go as far as they can in molding perception and distorting fact about what they are doing and why.
http://www.seditionproject.net/
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I personally think that's insane. The people in the military should be there voicing their opinions.

In the past, it was considered wrong for a soldier to ever question an order, now, if an order is considered wrong (shoot that unarmed civilian, etc...) soldiers are told to question it. This is important as it stops one person at the top doing terrible things.

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Blind faith and following is never a good idea. Love your country because you believe in it's ideals and the way it is run. Loving your country because you were born there is pointless. By that logic, the best way to love your country is to point out when it is wrong.

It all boils down to what you believe in first. Security or Freedom. I personally believe freedom is the most important thing possible. We should never accept an innocent person being punished, killed, imprisoned or any such thing, even if it costs us some security.
The military is a professional force that represents the country. We have certain standards and it is a privilege, not right, to serve in America's military. It is not "blind faith"; you can hate government policies all you want in private, but you are not allowed to express them in public while in uniform because it degrades military bearing. Military personnel have less freedoms than regular civilians and if you don't like being in the military, you can simply not reenlist and leave.
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this dude is a POS, i dont care.
****en little patsy , he has been reprogrammed into a smith.

i thought the other article about him having some sorta mental problem led him to hacking was some puss *****. now he does this.

dude has been touched and reprogrammed by yours truly... and think he now likes it

the other thing that could have happened was that he was "watched" and was forced to do this or serve. i dont know how it works but i am sure someone who does what got him in trouble is going to get messed with alot.

still some weaksause.
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