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Oh yeah because pirating has had no influence in the popularity of Steam and other DRMs with publishers .

For those that hate steam, is there anything you would consider to be a better alternative (other than no DRM at all)? I mean seriously, you should appreciate Bethesda for not following Ubisoft's "always on" DRM or using SecuRom and be happy that installing and playing the game from as many computers as you want (with out needing internet for anything other than the initial set up) is possible. We're given the lesser of these DRM evils and a few people here have a problem with that for what ever reason .

If anything, the blame for needing DRM lies with people like Blameless (Ironic no?) who pirate the game instead of boycotting it. I for one am glad they're going this way seeing as I was planning on buying through steam anyway. Giving me the option to install and uninstall all of my games as many times as I want (with the exception of crysis thanks to securom), have them available for me to download as long as they're available through Steam, and auto updates (if I want them) is a welcomed relief. For this I say way to go Bethesda, you just guaranteed my purchase .


Agreed, but after getting rid of my 360 I haven't bothered much with them.
I agree with this also, I'm not against the game on steam, I'm a big fan of it and have around 70 games on STEAM. I think it's the best form of DRM out there, and would like all my games to use it. Why I refuse to buy any Ubisoft games or any other crap like the DRM they use!

I still have my Xbox though, and only prefer it to have GFWL achievements simply because FO3 had. I also find steam achievements is a bit fail. Xbox gives you GS and PS3 gives you trophies. Steam should add something similar.
    
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Well i buy most of my games on steam anyways, gamestop is like 20 miles away from my house lol
from what i've seen of GameStop it's better to buy off Steam since the PC section is usually really small and has mostly WoW and the Sims, and then a single box of each game.

this is awesome news . thanks for posting, OP. +

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I have never used Steam for anything. I keep hearing mixed reviews about it. Is it worth looking into for upcoming releases?
steam is really good... the support is awesome and the client itself is pretty robust, and it's easy to buy games.

there can be some quirks, though, like when the servers are hammered, it can refuse to allow you to play a game, or install a game, but that doesn't happen often.

if you have a slow net connection, though, it'd probably be better to stay with buying retail.

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I've got no issues with the existence of Steam, or that games are on Steam, but I can't see how Steam exclusives are good for anyone who doesn't work at or own a part of Valve.
it's good for publishers because you avoid the anti-DRM diatribe that has ruined games, a la Spore... you also get some protection from piracy (not too much though) and you get stat tracking so you know how to improve in future patches, etc. also, autoupdates mean you can keep a game updated and consistent for all players, and matchmaking means you don't need to make your own matchmaking 'thing' - backend? basically you don't need to build from the ground up, like MW2 did with IW.net. that saves you money. this, when done properly makes for a better game with the potential to be supported better - look at TF2
Edited by -iceblade^ - 6/9/10 at 12:02am
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If anything, the blame for needing DRM lies with people like Blameless (Ironic no?) who pirate the game instead of boycotting it.
Anything that does nothing is not needed, almost by definition. There has never been a form of DRM that has not been bypassed in short order.

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I mean seriously, you should appreciate Bethesda for not following Ubisoft's "always on" DRM or using SecuRom and be happy that installing and playing the game from as many computers as you want (with out needing internet for anything other than the initial set up) is possible.
Making it inconvenient for someone to buy your product is not the way to combat piracy.

SecuRom has been cracked, so it's existence is an irrelevance for a single-player only game.

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We're given the lesser of these DRM evils and a few people here have a problem with that for what ever reason .
The lesser evil is still an evil.

Anyway, after a more careful reading of the article, it seems there will be a physical release of the game, so I should be able to wait for a crack, then buy that.
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from what i've seen of GameStop it's better to buy off Steam since the PC section is usually really small and has mostly WoW and the Sims, and then a single box of each game.

this is awesome news .
My gamestop rules, they have a nice PC selection. And always pick up games dirt cheap. I got Batman AA GOTY for 20 Euro (50 on steam) borderlands 15 Euro (30 on steam) Bioshock 2 15 Euro (30 on steam) and that was all just this week.
    
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so no GFW
I wanted live achievements
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Anything that does nothing is not needed, almost by definition. There has never been a form of DRM that has not been bypassed in short order.
How is boycotting nothing (by definition)? Do you not agree that (while not possible but hypothetical) if every person who has pirated a game, because of w/e reason they think is justifiable, instead boycotted a game instead it would have no effect at all? That the need for DRM would not change?

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Making it inconvenient for someone to buy your product is not the way to combat piracy.
Explain to me how Steam is an inconvenience? Last time I check I didn't have to jump into a car, drive to the store, and buy my game there. I've been able to do it from the confert of my chair with a couple of clicks.

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SecuRom has been cracked, so it's existence is an irrelevance for a single-player only game.
I think the relevence of DRM on single player only games is up to the Publishers. if they feel the need to put it to annoy pirates (at the sake of their consumers) then thats on them. As long as piracy exists so will DRM.

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The lesser evil is still an evil.
No argument there but its an evil people who honestly purchase their (in this case) games need to constantly deal with because of people who pirate.

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Anyway, after a more careful reading of the article, it seems there will be a physical release of the game, so I should be able to wait for a crack, then buy that.
My problem isn't with cracking DRM, its with pirating, as long as you (or anyone) want to buy and crack their game, I have no problems with that. But justifying piracy with the fact that DRM is used makes absolutely no sense.
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Oooohh, nice. I like this DRM scheme.


Steam may not be perfect but it's the best DRM scheme that's been concocted so far.

Looks like I won't even have to crack this one. I love it with devs care about their customers.

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Fallout: New Vegas uses Steamworks for achievements and other features (such as friends lists, cloud storage of user preferences and so on). Use of Steam will be mandatory at retail. So what does that mean? We've implemented Steamworks in as light and unobtrusive a way as possible.
Makes sense to me.

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Yes, you will have to install Steam when you install Fallout: New Vegas if you don;t already have it. And yes, you will have to be online at the time of that initial install.
Not that restrictive at all.

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However you can install the game on as many systems as you want (with no restrictions!), and you do not have to be online to play the game after your initial activation. Not only that, but once the game has activated on Steam, you can throw out the game DVD entirely and just download the game over Steam.
This is why I love steam

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If you don't even have a DVD drive, you can just take the CD-Key from the box, enter it into Steam, and download it without ever using the disc at all.
This is excellent for me, as I lack a DVD drive. And I lose DVDs anyways.


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For those concerned, this will have no affect on mod development whatsoever. Modders will still be able to create and distribute their plugins the same way they have in the past.

Good, because modding is what made me play Fallout 3 8 times in a row.


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We made the decision to use Steam after looking at all the various options out there and decided that it provided the best, least intrusive experience for PC gamers. We think you'll agree.

I agree. <3 Bethesda.
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My gamestop rules, they have a nice PC selection. And always pick up games dirt cheap. I got Batman AA GOTY for 20 Euro (50 on steam) borderlands 15 Euro (30 on steam) Bioshock 2 15 Euro (30 on steam) and that was all just this week.
i should ahve been clearer. i meant GameStop in the US... retail sales stores outside the US seem to be fine (like GAME and even HMV at times) in the UK
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Oooohh, nice. I like this DRM scheme.

Steam may not be perfect but it's the best DRM scheme that's been concocted so far.

Looks like I won't even have to crack this one. I love it with devs care about their customers.

Good, because modding is what made me play Fallout 3 8 times in a row.

I agree. <3 Bethesda.
My feeling exactly. I just really hope there isn't a problem with creative drivers (could barely get through the game because of my sound card, even after all the "fixes", 3 formats with win 7/ vista/ xp and just using realtek drivers) and they completely support mods this time around (bug with save games that have disabled mods because of this). I will admit that even with all the crashes I experienced, things like FOSE and places like Fallout3nexus made this one of my favorite games of all time. I have such high hopes for New Vegas.
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Steams a good thing and as previously mentioned extremely good for PC gaming.
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