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Originally Posted by RonindeBeatrice View Post
My girlfriend cannot see a snake at any distance without screaming. Snakes are no more disgusting, or pests, or scary than roaches, rodents, and spiders. My girlfriend gets extremely annoyed with my unwillingness to kill the above.
It is because people don't kill bugs that intrude houses that they're still doing it. Most people let them live or throw them out the window (in an empty, open plastic bag for a slow fall).

If people would kill those that go inside every time globally, then natural selection would quickly make that stop happening.
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post #62 of 77
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Do you have any idea how delicate the food chain is on this planet ? a disappearance of a species can have unexpected and dramatic ramifications.
See the video I posted, if snakes die out, something else will either evolve or devolve to kill rodents.
    
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See the video I posted, if snakes die out, something else will either evolve or devolve to kill rodents.
I doubt something else will evolve quick enough to prevent a major disruption of the food chain if a species were to be wiped out. Ill probably watch the video later but I'm more inclined to listen to a person more familiar with biology...
Also what the hell is devolution?
Edited by Somenoob - 6/9/10 at 4:11pm
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99.9% of all species that ever lived are extinct.

We, humans, won't notice a thing unless it's related to us close enough that the species who enjoyed eating snakes die as well.
Rate of extinction in the past 100,000 years has been 1000 times faster than in the past.

Anyhoozle, sounds like the toad populations in some region some years back. Apparently over the course of 20 years, toads completely disappeared.

And it's ridiculous to cite a comedic video as proof of your point.
    
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post #65 of 77
snakes are good for noms imo.
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post #66 of 77
^ also at above argument:

Humans are unique in our ability to think ?

Snakes are not related to us enough for them being extinct to cause a real huge issue. If cows or swine went extinct, we'd be in trouble, but snakes are too far removed from anything we actually need. Yeah, rodents, well we will just be killing more rodents. Breed some cats, etc.
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post #67 of 77
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Snakes aren't in decline. They are just massing together to create one giant hive-mind monster. Think Cloverfield with good camera work.
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Hmm thats weird, im very curious as to why.
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Rate of extinction in the past 100,000 years has been 1000 times faster than in the past.
Did we keep a record of that 100k years ago? 200k years ago or more ?

Were we there ? No. It's a guesstimate, and knowing that we are incapable of explaining simple things that happened as "recently" as 30k years ago (Neanderthals), it's fairly safe to say this guesstimate could be way off.

You know, I believed that stuff for a long time, that the rate of extinction went hay hay on us, until I read how they "calculated" that. I'll quote how :
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Only 869 extinctions have been formally recorded since 1500, however, because scientists have only "described" nearly 2m of an estimated 5-30m species around the world, and only assessed the conservation status of 3% of those, the global rate of extinction is extrapolated from the rate of loss among species which are known. In this way the IUCN calculated in 2004 that the rate of loss had risen to 100-1,000 per millions species annually – a situation comparable to the five previous "mass extinctions" – the last of which was when the dinosaurs were wiped out about 65m years ago.
So, what's wrong with this calculation? Seems pretty solid, doesn't it ? Well, no.
They only look at the species we know, in other words, those that we encounter or have encountered in the past, which should be somewhere between 6% and 40% of all species out there at this moment. Only 3% of those, are monitored closely. And the records of those 3% (of all the species that live at this moment) are being used to say something about 100% of all the species that have ever lived ? That's sounds horrible wrong and could be off by miles.

Because those 3% are part of the species that still live or have lived in the past few hundred years. Let's assume that's 1% of all the species that have ever lived. 3% out of 1% is 0.03% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet. Statistics however, need at least 10-20% to be sure, so unless we live long enough to monitor 10-20% of all the species that will ever live. That statement is the biggest guestimate ever.

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Originally Posted by xHassassin View Post
Anyhoozle, sounds like the toad populations in some region some years back. Apparently over the course of 20 years, toads completely disappeared.
Not completely but yea it's fairly close to extinction.

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And it's ridiculous to cite a comedic video as proof of your point.
99.9% is a fact. Not a funny story George Carlin told us. Although some say the number 99.9 is off and should be 97 or 98, maybe 96 but let's not bicker about that.

I'm not saying extinction is good, nor am I saying snakes should go extinct, I'm just saying that whatever happens, the planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed

See what I did there ?


Anyhow, that's just my 2cents since this entire issue is based on guesstimates, yes even the "facts" I mentioned are just guesstimates. So are many things in life, theories, which sometimes happen to be kind of accurate, but might as well not even be close.


Edited by Xenthos - 6/9/10 at 6:44pm
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Humans are the cause... duh.

It isn't like our population is always growing... they shouldn't trip about snakes just declining in numbers... it's nature and it happens all the time.
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