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guess you didn't read my post at all then?
If you can't get a WiFi network setup, either you're doing so willingly, or you have some IT issues that you need to iron out.


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it's not multitouch on a screen, so it's not innovative and intuitive! duh!
With this kind of logic one wonders why they even bothered giving the iPad a multitouch screen, they should have just given it a USB port and bundled a mouse with scroll wheel to it! THAT would be innovative? Amirite?

The Obvious reason is that the Doctor would not have to walk over to the computer to show the patient results instead being capable of handing the iPad with imagery directly to the patient.

But that's obviously too easy.
Edited by vdek - 6/9/10 at 10:13am
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If you can't get a WiFi network setup, either you're doing so willingly, or you have some IT issues that you need to iron out.




With this kind of logic one wonders why they even bothered giving the iPad a multitouch screen, they should have just given it a USB port and bundled a mouse with scroll wheel to it! THAT would be innovative? Amirite?
First, you're neglecting the situation I provided in which no network access was available.

Second, I was being sarcastic? Get over the iPad for craps sake! Of course a portable pad needs touch screen capabilities. wait no, for some reason I'm stupid and I'd advocate carrying a mouse around everywhere I go.
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I should mention that my real complaint is only having the device as iPad/iPhone capable seems like the company is really pigeonholing themselves. Most places won't want to waste the cash on two products like that if it means replacing two things they already have. Like a thin client network and a wired microscope. Showing that the wireless one could work on any system means they only need the product that this company is making rather than having to buy an iPad/iPhone as well.

Do you think you would be more able to get a college to buy 20 microscopes or getting them to buy 20 microscopes AND 20 iPads/iPhones? It says they plan to get it to work on other devices later but since most products can already wirelessly connect to most things...
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I should mention that my real complaint is only having the device as iPad/iPhone capable seems like the company is really pigeonholing themselves. Most places won't want to waste the cash on two products like that if it means replacing two things they already have. Like a thin client network and a wired microscope. Showing that the wireless one could work on any system means they only need the product that this company is making rather than having to buy an iPad/iPhone as well.

Do you think you would be more able to get a college to buy 20 microscopes or getting them to buy 20 microscopes AND 20 iPads/iPhones? It says they plan to get it to work on other devices later but since most products can already wirelessly connect to most things...
You show me a nice capacitive multi touch thin client the size of the iPad that costs $500.
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You show me a nice capacitive multi touch thin client the size of the iPad that costs $500.
I can show you a lab full of computers with standardized connections that are fully capable of interfacing with a microscope that cost $500 or less.
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I can show you a lab full of computers with standardized connections that are fully capable of interfacing with a microscope that cost $500 or less.
You're ignoring the fundamental difference between the iPad and a regular computer again.

Again, you show me a capacitive multitouch handheld thin client that can interface with the microscope for less then $500.


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First, you're neglecting the situation I provided in which no network access was available. .
I'm ignoring it because it's a silly reason. Yes your lab didn't have WiFi, neither did my brand spanking new Heavy Engineering building at my school where all my labs were located. It didn't matter because if we needed WiFi it would have been trivial to get a router installed which most professors ended up doing anyways.
Edited by vdek - 6/9/10 at 10:25am
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You show me a nice capacitive multi touch thin client the size of the iPad that costs $500.
That has nothing to do with anything. Do you even know what a thin client is? Also, cost doesn't matter IF THEY ALREADY HAVE IT. Which was my entire point to begin with. The capabilities of the iPad to work "intuitively" are not in question here.

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You're ignoring the fundamental difference between the iPad and a regular computer again.

Again, you show me a capacitive multitouch handheld thin client that can interface with the microscope for less then $500.
We can't, because of my point that the freaking thing doesn't work with other hardware which is what caused this entire discussion to begin with.

Double edit: By the way the article never once mentions or cares about the "multitouch" or "intuitive" use of the iPad/iPhone. They care about being able to wirelessly transmit the images to a device or multiple devices. The actual interaction with the image isn't even mentioned.
Edited by Kirmie - 6/9/10 at 10:27am
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Your ignoring the fundamental difference between the iPad and a regular computer again.

Again, you show me a capacitive multitouch handheld thin client that can interface with the microscope for less then $500.
BUT WHY do we need that? Only for personal portable use is this interesting. I can take a microscope anywhere! to the zoo, to the movies, a museum! But if we consider where they're used often, in a lab setting, they seem less ideal. Just with the capacitive interface you will probably have issues if you need to use gloves.

I don't have to worry about using gloves with a mouse, or keyboard. I don't have to worry about even having clean hands to a certain extent. I also don't have to worry about my computer not having standardized connections, or internal connectors for certain controller cards I might need for specialized equipment. My computer is stationary, I can't accidentally drop it.

Great that the ipad exists in a field of it's own, but I would most definitely ignore it for this specific use.

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I'm ignoring it because it's a silly reason. Yes your lab didn't have WiFi, neither did my brand spanking new Heavy Engineering building at my school where all my labs were located. It didn't matter because if we needed WiFi it would have been trivial to get a router installed which most professors ended up doing anyways.
and it wasn't that simple at our school. You actually aren't allowed to host your own wifi network, the IT people would come around and check for them, and we'd have to turn ours off, even though it only reached the first lab. So it wasn't a trivial thing, we'd been petitioning to get wiring ran for 4 semesters, but since construction was ongoing in other areas, and our building was finally trouble free, no one wanted to touch us.
Edited by ryboto - 6/9/10 at 10:29am
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BUT WHY do we need that?
Why? I have some ideas as I've outlined above, however I'm not a doctor or a dermatologist and I'm not their target market. It's ultimately up to the users of this product to decide if it's worthwhile to them or not. If they can find a business use for it, great, if they can't too bad for the manufacturers. Again, this seems like something that's for visualizing data to patients, but I dunno.


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and it wasn't that simple at our school. You actually aren't allowed to host your own wifi network, the IT people would come around and check for them, and we'd have to turn ours off, even though it only reached the first lab. So it wasn't a trivial thing, we'd been petitioning to get wiring ran for 4 semesters, but since construction was ongoing in other areas, and our building was finally trouble free, no one wanted to touch us.
Yeah, well that's obviously a problem with your school's IT department. I don't understand why their disregard for setting up WiFi in the lab makes this product useless.


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Double edit: By the way the article never once mentions or cares about the "multitouch" or "intuitive" use of the iPad/iPhone. They care about being able to wirelessly transmit the images to a device or multiple devices. The actual interaction with the image isn't even mentioned.
Thanks for informing me what a Thin Client was, I never knew...
What would be the point of this product if not to interface with the multitouch interface? Maybe the whole pinch-zoom motion is used to actually control the zoom on the microscope? That would be pretty cool and intuitive IMHO. And yes, multitouch dragging/pinch to zoom is infinitely more intuitive then using a mouse.
Edited by vdek - 6/9/10 at 10:35am
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Yeah, well that's obviously a problem with your school's IT department. I don't understand why their disregard for setting up WiFi in the lab makes this product useless.
I guess you've never had issues with idiotic policies that management has in place? It happens everywhere, that was just one example. I never said it was useless, you sorta neglected most of my post. I just said in the lab, this doesn't make sense.
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