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I guess you've never had issues with idiotic policies that management has in place? It happens everywhere, that was just one example. I never said it was useless, you sorta neglected most of my post. I just said in the lab, this doesn't make sense.
In your lab it might not make sense, in someone else's lab it might be perfect.

Some schools are also doing pilot programs handing out iPads to all the students, this would be very useful for a school like that.
post #32 of 44
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Why? I have some ideas as I've outlined above, however I'm not a doctor or a dermatologist and I'm not their target market. It's ultimately up to the users of this product to decide if it's worthwhile to them or not. If they can find a business use for it, great, if they can't too bad for the manufacturers. Again, this seems like something that's for visualizing data to patients, but I dunno.




Yeah, well that's obviously a problem with your school's IT department. I don't understand why their disregard for setting up WiFi in the lab makes this product useless.




Thanks for informing me what a Thin Client was, I never knew...
What would be the point of this product if not to interface with the multitouch interface? Maybe the whole pinch-zoom motion is used to actually control the zoom on the microscope? That would be pretty cool and intuitive IMHO. And yes, multitouch dragging/pinch to zoom is infinitely more intuitive then using a mouse.
Did you ever consider the fact that they may not even be able to control the microscope from the iPad? Heck, it says they can't even do it in real time. Also, like I've already said, the "intuitiveness" doesn't mean ANYTHING not to mention that it is an opinion to begin with. Nothing to do with the inuitiveness of the iPad. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. This has to do with the fact that having to use an iPad raises the price from a minimum of $390 to over $800 for the setup. Not to mention training the IT department on the iPad. The point of the freaking product is to be able to send the images over a WiFi network to a separate viewing device, not being able to pinch and zoom. Is pinch and zoom over mouse clicks worth over $800 to implement? Can you even begin to argue that you would rather spend $800 than zoom with a mouse? Then can you argue that with a department board and get them to agree? No way on earth.

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And Scalar is planning to expand the use of the microscope with its wireless LAN capability and function to display images on the iPad and the iPhone in real time.
Can't even control it that way.


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In your lab it might not make sense, in someone else's lab it might be perfect.

Some schools are also doing pilot programs handing out iPads to all the students, this would be very useful for a school like that.

ARRRRGGGHHH! That is my point! It is only useful to those schools! Not all schools like it could be!

Let me put it in a way that makes more sense. Lets say they made the greatest computer game to ever exist for all time. Then they only released it for a Mac. That is what they are doing. To play the game anybody who doesn't have a Mac would then have to buy one just to play the game. It is a LIMITED MARKET by design.

Edit: You can replace Mac with anything you want. A specific OS, the PS3, Xbox360. It doesn't matter. The point is that it will only get sold to either those that already have the platform or those that are willing to buy both the platform and the product. Since this microscope company doesn't benefit from sales of the iPad caused by their microscope that is a waste of marketability.
Edited by Kirmie - 6/9/10 at 11:03am
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Let me put it in a way that makes more sense. Lets say they made the greatest computer game to ever exist for all time. Then they only released it for a Mac. That is what they are doing. To play the game anybody who doesn't have a Mac would then have to buy one just to play the game. It is a LIMITED MARKET by design.
It's working over WiFi, I don't think there is anything stopping it from working over a Windows PC too.

You're right though, they aren't using the iPads to control it, waste of potential. Regardless, it's not just about pinch to zoom, it's also the fact that the device is portable and lightweight.
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If those aren't options? Is setting up a network very hard? I would think it would be the norm in most labs.

Battery life? The iPad will last nearly two full work days. You still have to keep your PC plugged in, what's so hard about plugging in the iPad?




Right. If you were the standard for innovation we'd be stuck using Punch Cards.




I dunno, that's ultimately up to the lab to decide if the product is worthwhile to them.
1. Wifi networks are too unreliable in a lab environment. It is better to use a wired connection to eliminate the hazard of noise with the equipment. As much as it would be more "convenient", the smallest amount of lag, connection issues, noise, etc., can be quite problematic.

2. The cost of wifi hubs in large labs will be unpractical. Let alone each section needs to be fireproof, interfering with connectivity.

3. Why would you use a system that not only has very little engineering program support, but slow all together? You want number crunching to be fast, not pretty and slow. Let alone, you want your 1 device to be accessible by all equipment, not just whatever has an "I" attached to it. Simply plugging it in won't make a difference.

4. He isn't hindering innovation, there is just better options then wi-fi and pretty ipads in a lab environment. You can make it work, and probably make it work well, just like anything. But there is something called practicality that is a HUGE factor in decisions like this. This just isn't practical to the "entire" field. Maybe small labs, or in private clinics like the site suggested, but at our lab, oh man no. I don't want to turn off my ipad and wi-fi to wait for my scale to be zeroed.
Edited by Domino - 6/9/10 at 6:33pm
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And this wouldn't work just as well on a tablet laptop why?
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I can show you a lab full of computers with standardized connections that are fully capable of interfacing with a microscope that cost $500 or less.
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sometimes people infuriate me.

Vdek. Your only argument here is that it is a portable screen?

You actually said the doctor wouldn't have to walk across the room to see the results...

People need to watch Idiocracy, because that is where we are heading. Guaranteed.
Why else would they use an iPad then?

Making things easier And more convenient isn't going to lead us to idiocracy... If you believe that then throw out your computer right now and start living like the Amish.

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And this wouldn't work just as well on a tablet laptop why?
More expensive, inferior multitouch, heavier, weaker battery life?
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1. Wifi networks are too unreliable in a lab environment. It is better to use a wired connection to eliminate the hazard of noise with the equipment. As much as it would be more "convenient", the smallest amount of lag, connection issues, noise, etc., can be quite problematic.

2. The cost of wifi hubs in large labs will be unpractical. Let alone each section needs to be fireproof, interfering with connectivity.

3. Why would you use a system that not only has very little engineering program support, but slow all together? You want number crunching to be fast, not pretty and slow. Let alone, you want your 1 device to be accessible by all equipment, not just whatever has an "I" attached to it. Simply plugging it in won't make a difference.

4. He isn't hindering innovation, there is just better options then wi-fi and pretty ipads in a lab environment. You can make it work, and probably make it work well, just like anything. But there is something called practicality that is a HUGE factor in decisions like this. This just isn't practical to the "entire" field. Maybe small labs, or in private clinics like the site suggested, but at our lab, oh man no. I don't want to turn off my ipad and wi-fi to wait for my scale to be zeroed.
They're using this for data visualization not number crunching.
Edited by vdek - 6/9/10 at 11:56pm
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Meh, Wireless microscopes have been around for a long long time, I've used them a few time in labs. The problem as always is the lag at high resolutions, I'm skeptical about the I-pad rendering those images in real time. Moreover, if i were a doctor i would rather buy a moorsetown based pad to interface with my microscope, those are exponentially more powerful and cheaper. the i-pad would be a bad choice
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Let me rephrase that, there's an Amish village waiting in New England for you.

Thanks for the Mcdonalds hint though, but it's more like 1/2 mile away, that's too far for me, I'm just going to order delivery.
I wonder how behind this device you'd be if it wasn't made by Apple.
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I wonder how behind this device you'd be if it wasn't made by Apple.
It's not made by Apple?

Don't misunderstand me, I like all tech gadgets. Had a Palm Pilot in 1999, a PocketPC in 2001, Another Palm in 2003, A windows mobile phone in 2005, iPhone in 2007, Palm Pre in 2009, Getting an EVO 4G in a few weeks. I also had a Windows Tablet PC in 2004 and 2006.
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