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This is why you can't trust big corporations. Power corrupts.
Down with the corporations!
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we have this major occur about Google in New Zealand (where i live). People here actually go against it when google staff came over here to collect the data
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This is why you can't trust big corporations. Power corrupts.
ah yes, open wifi spots are recorded, such corruption...
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just cause a window is left wide open doesnt mean you have the right to jump in the window and steal the residents personal data.....
There is a big difference here. They didn't enter the property and they didn't steal anything. They copied data. This is closer to recording somebody talking in a public park without telling them you are recording them.
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This is why you can't trust big corporations. Power corrupts.
Unless the Google employees were explicitly told to collect this data, I see no corruption here. It was almost certainly accidental, and while they should have had measures to prevent this, ***** happens, man.
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just cause a window is left wide open doesnt mean you have the right to jump in the window and steal the residents personal data.....
No, but that isn't at all a metaphor to the situation with Google.

The correct metaphor to use would be:

If a window is left wide open, is it illegal to look at the window from standing on the street and acknowledge that it's open? Because that's exactly what Google did with these Wi-Fi spots; they simply acknowledged that there was a signal there and that it was open Wi-Fi. They in no way intruded the Wi-Fi connection to invade privacy or anything. This was definitely in no way similar to tapping a digital recorder to a phone line; that is a COMPLETELY different scenario, where you're invading a person's privacy and listening to their phone conversations. Now, installing a monitor on the person's network that keylogs/datamines? THAT would be equivalent to tapping a phone line.

All Google did was a query: "Hey, is your Wi-Fi network open? K... cool." Ridiculous. I'm sure Google doesn't give a rat's ass. In their eyes as well as the eyes of their billions of fans, they did nothing wrong. Even if it's on their dirty company records, it's like... their single criminal offense? Which they're not even guilty of.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 6/9/10 at 12:20pm
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No, but that isn't at all a metaphor to the situation with Google.

The correct metaphor to use would be:

If a window is left wide open, is it illegal to look at the window from standing on the street and acknowledge that it's open? Because that's exactly what Google did with these Wi-Fi spots; they simply acknowledged that there was a signal there and that it was open Wi-Fi. They in no way intruded the Wi-Fi connection to invade privacy or anything. This was definitely in no way similar to tapping a digital recorder to a phone line; that is a COMPLETELY different scenario, where you're invading a person's privacy and listening to their phone conversations. Now, installing a monitor on the person's network that keylogs/datamines? THAT would be equivalent to tapping a phone line.

All Google did was a query: "Hey, is your Wi-Fi network open? K... cool." Ridiculous. I'm sure Google doesn't give a rat's ass. In their eyes as well as the eyes of their billions of fans, they did nothing wrong. Even if it's on their dirty company records, it's like... their single criminal offense? Which they're not even guilty of.
I concur.
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No, but that isn't at all a metaphor to the situation with Google.

The correct metaphor to use would be:

If a window is left wide open, is it illegal to look at the window from standing on the street and acknowledge that it's open? Because that's exactly what Google did with these Wi-Fi spots; they simply acknowledged that there was a signal there and that it was open Wi-Fi. They in no way intruded the Wi-Fi connection to invade privacy or anything. This was definitely in no way similar to tapping a digital recorder to a phone line; that is a COMPLETELY different scenario, where you're invading a person's privacy and listening to their phone conversations. Now, installing a monitor on the person's network that keylogs/datamines? THAT would be equivalent to tapping a phone line.

All Google did was a query: "Hey, is your Wi-Fi network open? K... cool." Ridiculous. I'm sure Google doesn't give a rat's ass. In their eyes as well as the eyes of their billions of fans, they did nothing wrong. Even if it's on their dirty company records, it's like... their single criminal offense? Which they're not even guilty of.
No, no, no. That's what they WANTED to do, according to them.

In reality, they also recorded any data for the few seconds they were tuned in (again, according to them).

It's more like, you walk around your neighborhood looking for open windows. When you see a window, you say "Hey, that window is open." and you look inside. And then you grab your video camera and take 2 seconds of video.

Oftentimes, there'll be nothing there and you'll have a video of an empty room. But sometimes, you'll happen upon something personal or confidential.

A breach of privacy is a breach of privacy even if it's only for 2 seconds.
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What if I was to develop a similar device to collect this data but say hide the device that does it in the back seat?

I could collect all this data and then publish it via a torrent... It's the fault of the people stupid enough to leave their WiFi unsecured.
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There is a big difference here. They didn't enter the property and they didn't steal anything. They copied data. This is closer to recording somebody talking in a public park without telling them you are recording them.
This is illegal in many states. Both parties must consent to recordings.
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