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Originally Posted by Playapplepie View Post
They should disband. That way they don't have to pay anything. Besides, Limewire wouldn't pay what the U.S doesn't even have.
I agree, at this point they're better off just going bankrupt. That way the RIAA is the one who loses here truly, I doubt limewire will go offline and the RIAA just wasted tons of money and resources going after them.
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Riaa fail
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Well the RIAA owes me a yottabyte hard drive.

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Though I do think people should be punished for pirating, this is just insane. I don't see how they can blame the program anyway. It should be the people uploading/downloading that should be punished.
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I LOL'ed.
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maybe their previous demands didnt make the news so....



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Why are they allowed to do that? Who lets this bunch of arrogant (insert mot profane adjective you can think of) do this crap? Jack thompson pulled this crap and they disbarred him. The RIAA should all be hauled out of their offices, and beaten with clubs as a public spectacle. I can see a fine, or whatever.... but a TRILLION dollars?
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As ridiculous as this sounds, its actually cheap compared to what they can demand. Ever read US Copyright law?

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§ 504. Remedies for infringement: Damages and profits
(a) In General. — Except as otherwise provided by this title, an infringer of copyright is liable for either —

(1) the copyright owner's actual damages and any additional profits of the infringer, as provided by subsection (b); or

(2) statutory damages, as provided by subsection (c).

(b) Actual Damages and Profits. — The copyright owner is entitled to recover the actual damages suffered by him or her as a result of the infringement, and any profits of the infringer that are attributable to the infringement and are not taken into account in computing the actual damages. In establishing the infringer's profits, the copyright owner is required to present proof only of the infringer's gross revenue, and the infringer is required to prove his or her deductible expenses and the elements of profit attributable to factors other than the copyrighted work.

(c) Statutory Damages. —

(1) Except as provided by clause (2) of this subsection, the copyright owner may elect, at any time before final judgment is rendered, to recover, instead of actual damages and profits, an award of statutory damages for all infringements involved in the action, with respect to any one work, for which any one infringer is liable individually, or for which any two or more infringers are liable jointly and severally, in a sum of not less than $750 or more than $30,000 as the court considers just. For the purposes of this subsection, all the parts of a compilation or derivative work constitute one work.
It could have been $30,000 per... or $42 trillion

Edit: Wow, math fail. Make that $60 Trillion
Edited by SonicJoe - 6/9/10 at 5:24pm
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Violates the constitution, says the punishment must fit the crime.
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...they should not be allowed to go after individuals for sharing over Limewire, because that would be charging 2 people for the same crime.
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Well it's a fine, and a fine is a punishment.

.... You get a fine for committing a crime or violating the law.
There are some interesting related, historical points that follow, but first....

This is a civil lawsuit, not a criminal lawsuit.

Even though the central complaint is regarding an alleged criminal act, this judgment addresses the alleged harm caused to the RIAA and it's members for which they are demanding compensation.

As such, there are no constitutional limitations regarding cruel and unusual punishment. Even if it were, the constitution says nothing about the punishment fitting the crime, only that the punishment can't be cruel or unusual.

Neither is this a fine, because a fine would be paid to the state, not the RIAA, and would be subject to the "unusual" limitation of the constitution.

It is, as another post stated, a debt. The action is designed to force Limewire out of functional existence, and to recover any and, apparently, every visible asset in Limewire's possession.

There are collection limitations involved, perhaps - whereby recovery of assets from non-compliant defendants deemed liable have avenues of defense even then, but they are a less limited in corporate law than if the defendant were a person. A person has just enough protection to avoid being sued "out of existence" - collection limitations are such that garnishment of wages can't exceed a fixed amount (I seem to recall it was 25% in most cases of 'living' wages, more for higher incomes perhaps). Assets can be seized with abandon, of course, but the courts stop short of actually starving someone into poverty.

Corporations, on the other hand, are given the technical equivalent of a death sentence this way, and that's the RIAA's intent.

Everyone involved is thoroughly aware than such an amount is ridiculous.


Did you know that for decades the RIAA collected a tax on every blank cassette sold in the U.S.?

I forget when this happened, but they had a fit way back in the early days of the first decent stereo cassette decks, where copies of LP vinyl records were about as good as the originals, and traded openly. Instead of going after individuals, which was tedious and expensive, they managed to arrange for a 'tax', essentially (which I think is unprecedented) a $1 was added to the cost of blank tapes to account for all the "casual piracy" the invention promoted.

Now that the tape is gone, and this replaced it many fold, they're really upset that they don't have that otherwise free income stream for nothing. They couldn't manage to automatically include CD blanks (cassettes were, apparently, deemed useless for nearly any other purpose).

Imagine if they could have gotten a similar presumption regarding the Internet....they could have been receiving a portion of our ISP service payment, just 'cause "it's what everyone does with it" - just like they assumed with the cassette tape.
Edited by JVene - 6/9/10 at 5:18pm
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