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NoGuru and Hoss,

I know you two are running the Q9650 but what kind of temps are you guys seeing at load and idle? Both of you are oc pretty damn good. I would like to get up there but the small wc I have now I just don't trust enough. I am getting a better wc setup so I can do just that though.

And again thanks for all the help...
Idle means nothing, and I get about 55 at load, but I have a lot invested in my loop. 74 is a little hot but I would not worry about it to much. Real world you will maybe see 65 max.
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Idle means nothing, and I get about 55 at load, but I have a lot invested in my loop. 74 is a little hot but I would not worry about it to much. Real world you will maybe see 65 max.
Just FYI that 74C was on that one core. It runs 9-11C hotter than the other 3. I have reseated it several times. I even put it in another case with a different cooler to see what it did. Same result.

I'm thinking here in the next couple of weeks I will get the better wc setup and when I do that I thought I may lap the CPU at the same time. I know it's a long shot but I wonder if that one core is in a goofy spot and not making good contact with the cooler.

I have no idea what I'm talking about but in my head it makes sense.
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It's honestly pretty typical for the 45nm chips to have one core that reads higher than the others, on both dual and quads. My E8200 has one core reading 11-15C higher than the other, I've remounted the cooler several times as well as tried a different cooler, and had multiple people assure me it was fine. Even if that core is running 74C under full load, that's fairly warm, but not warm enough that it should cause you problems at 4ghz, and as NoGuru mentioned you'll never actually see it that high during gaming.

Feel free to lap it still if you want to, but that's typically only a small temperature improvement and it's very unlikely it'll make that one core match the rest. I'd rather keep the warranty in the event something happens.
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id recommend investing in an H50 cooler thay work miracles on temps i keep mine under 70 at 4250 mhz with 1.24 volts

and in order for me to be stable i needed a 50 ps skew on the mem and 1.44V on the mch. im still trying to push this puppy to 533 fsb but so far its only good for suicide runs in 3dmark

you did a nice job for a inexperience oc my first oc dint go very well i corrupted my hard drives a few times
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Llama, he's already using the rad from an H50, plus another 120mm rad, and a bigger pump. He's most of the way to a full watercooling rig.
    
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Llama, he's already using the rad from an H50, plus another 120mm rad, and a bigger pump. He's most of the way to a full watercooling rig.




yea just saw that its 7:40 am here im sleepy :O
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FRI. June 11th UPDATE:

I tried running small FFT again last night when I went to bed and it crashed the system again. When I went to bed all the "workers" seemed to be fine I have noticed that the Fails have usually been worker 2 but last night during one of the many Prime95 runs I noticed it was worker 3 then 4 that were FAIL.

Don't know if that means anything just something I noticed.

Also NoGuru gave me a link to a voltage thread and after reading it a couple of times I think I do need a bit more on my MCH based on this calculation:

45nm = 1.2V for 333 + 0.1 for every 75-100 after.

Well I'm currently at 1.34 or 1.38 I have it written down but I've confused myself on my paper. Either way I'm at 471FSB so I am 138 points over the 333.

So I think my MCH should be almost 1.4-- something. Going back I believe NoGuru eluded to this for me already.

I am still lost on where to find the SKEW so I can bump it up a bit.

I also included a pic of my half @ss wc.

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It's honestly pretty typical for the 45nm chips to have one core that reads higher than the others, on both dual and quads. My E8200 has one core reading 11-15C higher than the other, I've remounted the cooler several times as well as tried a different cooler, and had multiple people assure me it was fine. Even if that core is running 74C under full load, that's fairly warm, but not warm enough that it should cause you problems at 4ghz, and as NoGuru mentioned you'll never actually see it that high during gaming.

Feel free to lap it still if you want to, but that's typically only a small temperature improvement and it's very unlikely it'll make that one core match the rest. I'd rather keep the warranty in the event something happens.
Completely right on. I have only seen a small handful of quads that had the same temps. I have one that reads about 8 degrees higher then the other three, I just ignore it.

In Advance clock control you will find skews, 50 on the MCH will most likely help. The higher the clocks the more you will have to play with these.

Edit: Bump the CPU ref with the same way I told you before. Drop CPU term to 1.20 then set ref, then set term back to what you need.

Edit 2: I will post pics of where to find the skews in a few.

Not sure why but the first image won't load but in your MIT you should see advance clock control.

Edited by NoGuru - 6/11/10 at 8:39am
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Completely right on. I have only seen a small handful of quads that had the same temps. I have one that reads about 8 degrees higher then the other three, I just ignore it.

In Advance clock control you will find skews, 50 on the MCH will most likely help. The higher the clocks the more you will have to play with these.

Edit: Bump the CPU ref with the same way I told you before. Drop CPU term to 1.20 then set ref, then set term back to what you need.

Edit 2: I will post pics of where to find the skews in a few.

Not sure why but the first image won't load but in your MIT you should see advance clock control.
After you said Advanced Clock Control (probably for the fifth time) I found it right in plain sight.

I did bump MCH 50 is there an advantage to also bumping the CPU skew?

Just a heads up after I get this thing stable I'll probably be asking about lowering the voltages. But thats down the road a bit.

Starting to run small FFT now.

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Yes there is an advantage to changing CPU skew, but probably not yet, more so at higher clocks.
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