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If I can do this with a P55A-UD3P, you can do this with a -UD4P. Just remember to go into Power Option and set High Performance > advanced > Processor Power Management > Minimum processor state to 5% or so.
Should you do this no matter what as to get the best performance from low to high frequency? Or just leave it on balanced?
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Should you do this no matter what as to get the best performance from low to high frequency? Or just leave it on balanced?
I did it on the recommendation of unclewebb. With his Real Temp I now have access to adjusting the TB. I set my bclk to 134MHz, and my tb for four cores to 30x. With the minimum processor state set to 5% I now get the cpu running from 9x to 30x (1206 to 4020MHz). This is exactly why I bought the 875k. I'm now getting the best of both worlds. I was so ecstatic I signed up with Paypal to send him a contribution.
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Disable TB? The whole point of getting an 875k for me was to run with TB and all the bells and whistles enabled. So:

I had my cpu voltage (Vcore) set to Normal. I ran LinX and noted that the Vcore reported by ET6 and CPU-Z was 1.312V, which was the low end of the Vcore at load when I ran my i7 860 with Vcore set to 1.31250v.

But LinX was not stable at Vcore = 1.312v. I recalled that the higher voltage on load with my 860 was 1.328v. Hmm. 1.3280v - 1.3125 = 0.0155v. The closest setting in BIOS is Normal + 0.0125v, so I set it to that. In theory, 1.31250v + 0.0125v should = 1.325v, but when I run LinX I now get Vcore = 1.328v, which is just fine.

Even better: LLC, HT and TB are all enabled. Ditto EIST, C1E and the other C-states. My whole Voltage page is Enabled. The 875k runs from 134x9 to 134x30, depending on the load. This is exactly what I wanted.

If I can do this with a P55A-UD3P, you can do this with a -UD4P. Just remember to go into Power Option and set High Performance > advanced > Processor Power Management > Minimum processor state to 5% or so.
Maybe I don't quite understand the purpose of TB yet. Sound to me like it 1) recognizes when a single threaded task is taking all of the available CPU on one (or two) cores and 2) shuts down the unused cores and "overclocks" the ones being used to give the task more CPU...

The problem comes in when you've found the max bclk and multiplier that you can reliably use for all four cores. Because TB just raises the multiplier on the active cores that pushes you into a speed that's not achievable on even one core.

For example: I'm running bclk of 193 with a multiplier of 21 with TB disabled. This gives me a stable 4053 MHz on all four cores at the same time. If I enable TB, then it will shut down one, two or three cores and try to run the one (or two) cores at 193 x 23 ! That's 4439 MHz which would cause an instant crash.

Aside from the electricity savings (which isn't negligable at all mind you) I just don't see the advantage of TB...

Am I missing something? Edumacate me!

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I did it on the recommendation of unclewebb. With his Real Temp I now have access to adjusting the TB. I set my bclk to 134MHz, and my tb for four cores to 30x. With the minimum processor state set to 5% I now get the cpu running from 9x to 30x (1206 to 4020MHz). This is exactly why I bought the 875k. I'm now getting the best of both worlds. I was so ecstatic I signed up with Paypal to send him a contribution.
Which is something that can be done with EIST alone... simply set up a power profile in Windows with the minimum and maximum CPU percentages and SpeedStep will change the multiplier to follow load, like you said from 9x (I think is the lowest I've seen) to the (TB disabled) BIOS enforced maximum multiplier.

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Which is something that can be done with EIST alone... simply set up a power profile in Windows with the minimum and maximum CPU percentages and SpeedStep will change the multiplier to follow load, like you said from 9x (I think is the lowest I've seen) to the (TB disabled) BIOS enforced maximum multiplier.

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I tried it with EIST alone when I had an 860 on this board. It didn't work, perhaps because my bclk was too high. My bclk was 182MHz at that time.

The point of having an 875k with TB is that I can get the tb to go to a high multi when there is a high demand on the cpu, while still using a low bclk. This way I have the effects of both tb and eist.

The nice thing about using Real Temp - or an Asus board - is that you can set the tb multipliers to be the same for 1, 2, 3 or 4 cores. That's the beauty of the unlocked multiplier. It's now freed from Intel's algorithm. Instead, whether software needs one or all cores the tb is the same - 30x. So my cpu doesn't go beyond 4.02GHz on one core or four.
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In the effort to stay cooler, I added a 120 intake fan and another 120 exhaust fan and was able to drop 10C off my temps.

Well, that and dropping the Vcore voltage to take advantage of the colder air and thus less need for pushing those little electrons so hard.

Vcore = 1.36250 v QPI/Vtt = 1.37 v PCH core = 1.2 v
bclk = 193 MHz Multi = 21 CPU speed (tb,c1e,c3/6 disabled) = 4.053 GHz

Screenshot: http://www.overclock.net/attachment....1&d=1286333049

Not too shabby for air cooling?

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I tried it with EIST alone when I had an 860 on this board. It didn't work, perhaps because my bclk was too high. My bclk was 182MHz at that time.

The point of having an 875k with TB is that I can get the tb to go to a high multi when there is a high demand on the cpu, while still using a low bclk. This way I have the effects of both tb and eist.

The nice thing about using Real Temp - or an Asus board - is that you can set the tb multipliers to be the same for 1, 2, 3 or 4 cores. That's the beauty of the unlocked multiplier. It's now freed from Intel's algorithm. Instead, whether software needs one or all cores the tb is the same - 30x. So my cpu doesn't go beyond 4.02GHz on one core or four.
So where in RealTemp can you control the multipliers for tb? I might be willing to play a bit more now that I know about that!

Goal = 4.00000000 GHz base on all four cores

If I can let tb shut down 1 or more cores and get another multiplier's worth of clock out of things (say 4.166 GHz on a two cores or 4.333 on a single core) then I'm very interested!

Thanks!
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So where in RealTemp can you control the multipliers for tb? I might be willing to play a bit more now that I know about that!

Goal = 4.00000000 GHz base on all four cores

If I can let tb shut down 1 or more cores and get another multiplier's worth of clock out of things (say 4.166 GHz on a two cores or 4.333 on a single core) then I'm very interested!

Thanks!
In Real Temp, right-click the taskbar icon and you will see Turbo Boost Limits... That's the one.

You don't have to shut down cores. I just now finished an OCCT standard 1h run. My bclk = 134MHz. When I ran it with Vcore = Normal + 0.00625v, 1.312v on load, LinX failed.

When I nudged the add voltage to +0.01250v, LinX was stable for 20 reps and a Vcore on load of 1.328v, but I got a BSOD with OCCT/Linpack. The error code was 00...0101, which means not enough Vcore. So I nudged the add voltage to 0.01875v to get a load Vcore of 1.328v to 1.344v. Same BSOD with same error code.

Now, with Vcore set to Normal + 0.2500v, I get 1.344v on load, and OCCT/Linpack ran the whole hour. The interesting thing is that the cpu is reporting lower temps than I got with my i7 860 with lower Vcores. Such is the variance between chips.

To recap: with Normal + volts, Turbo Boost and EIST enabled, bclk=134MHZ, the cpu multiplier runs 9x to 30x, resulting in a cpu speed on load of 4020MHz, or 4.02GHz. You will have to find the +voltage that works on your own 875k.
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So you think that if linx is more than 1.0 off in runs it isn't stable? I've always assumed that if it wasn't more than 1.0 off it was fine?
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In the effort to stay cooler, I added a 120 intake fan and another 120 exhaust fan and was able to drop 10C off my temps.

Well, that and dropping the Vcore voltage to take advantage of the colder air and thus less need for pushing those little electrons so hard.

Vcore = 1.36250 v QPI/Vtt = 1.37 v PCH core = 1.2 v
bclk = 193 MHz Multi = 21 CPU speed (tb,c1e,c3/6 disabled) = 4.053 MHz

Screenshot: http://www.overclock.net/attachment....1&d=1286333049

Not too shabby for air cooling?

Holy smoke, that´s a very high QPI/Vtt voltage you run for only 1158MHz of ram speed, well, your UnCore is ~3475MHz but it´s high nevertheless, is it because you run 16Gb or what.


Yeah, it´s pretty decent for a air cooling
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I ran the Vtt up because I'd been told that you need more with 4 DIMMs vs 2 and that you need even more with 4GB DIMMs vs smaller ones.

I'll start dropping it slowly and see what happens. I only have increments of 0.02 v so 1.39, 1.37, etc.

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