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I found WHS very easy to install and create user accounts. I like the idea of the "server" not needing a keyboard or monitor. In short great fun working with this software but I wanted to ask what limitations have popped up with WHS?


I wondered if it is possible to have an application like Word 2007 on the "server" and make it possible for the accounts to acces such applications. I do realise that this is getting away from what WHS is designed for. From my examination it does not appear to be something WHS could do, now Server 2008, this seems to be something it is designed for.

Perhaps it is just easier to perform seperate install for such applications as with the server technique you would need licenses for these users.
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I wondered if it is possible to have an application like Word 2007 on the "server" and make it possible for the accounts to acces such applications. I do realise that this is getting away from what WHS is designed for. From my examination it does not appear to be something WHS could do, now Server 2008, this seems to be something it is designed for.
Actually, it's what Terminal Services is designed for.

Terminal Services is a component of Windows Server (be it 2000, 2003, or 2008). However, you generally need Teriminal services client licenses on a per-computer basis to run things the way you want (which costs money) --and, you'll need to have appropriate per-client licensing for Word 2007 or whatever application you'd wish to have as well.

Also, since the server is now doing some of the application work, you can have relatively weak clients, but if you're running an application on more than a few computers at once, you start to need a more powerful server.

That was the long answer --the short one is, you're better off just running individual applications from individual computers unless you have a larger network.
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Even with Windows Server 2003 / 2008, you have to configure the server as a Terminal Server (or provide Remote Desktop Services role in 2008). Otherwise, you are technically in violation of the Microsoft EULA / TOS for using Remote Desktop Administration Mode - which permits 2 users with administrator access to access the server to perform server management and administration tasks.

Use of the Remote Desktop Administration Mode to run any productivity software, either Microsoft or 3rd-Party, is in violation of the TOS/EULA....
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As with most of my "lab work" these type of things are done just to see how it works, not a book description but actually setting things up and seeing if I can get it to work. As with all my lab work TOS's are always observed. Thanks for the direction as I would have had to search for a while to figure out that this is a job for the Terminal Services role in Server 2008, I think it will be a neat experemint. You just don't know if I would ever be asked to actually set this up for a client and I do want to be prepared.
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I believe a fair amount of this is in flux right now, because Microsoft is pushing App-V for this sort of thing. While I've attended a deployment seminar that included some information, I haven't worked with it, because we just don't have the budget for that sort of thing at work. It uses Remote Desktop technology, but it is tied into a few other components as well.

Seeing how much experience ComGuards has, he could probably shed more light on the subject, but the upshot is that application serving is morphing into application virtualization, and you will find things will change a lot in the next few years.
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I believe a fair amount of this is in flux right now, because Microsoft is pushing App-V for this sort of thing. While I've attended a deployment seminar that included some information, I haven't worked with it, because we just don't have the budget for that sort of thing at work. It uses Remote Desktop technology, but it is tied into a few other components as well.

Seeing how much experience ComGuards has, he could probably shed more light on the subject, but the upshot is that application serving is morphing into application virtualization, and you will find things will change a lot in the next few years.
Microsoft has changed the licensing terms for App-V, but it hasn't changed the TOS/EULA for the basic Remote Desktop Administration Mode (RDAM)... Basically, regardless of the delivery system or implementation, any productivity suite that utilizes RDC technology must (well, should) be designed around Microsoft Terminal Server / Remote Desktop Services...

Additional Reference:
http://www.microsoft.com/systemcente...y/default.mspx

As if Microsoft would change licensing terms that actually lower costs significantly
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I did mention that he would have to pay for Terminal Services client licenses in my first reply, so I think I covered that part...
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I did mention that he would have to pay for Terminal Services client licenses in my first reply, so I think I covered that part...
That you did, and that he does

Though this would probably be a good time to suggest a Technet subscription since the environment in question isn't a production environment.

And even in a production environment, Microsoft can't actually keep track of who has licenses and who doesn't, lol. It only comes up if Microsoft (or licensed agent) decides to do an audit...
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It is nice to have a Technet Plus subscription, I agree. I have one myself.
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So the time has come that a Technet subscription can actually be justified? when it was just OS's I needed I had that situation handled with all the variours means availble to IT students and students in general (and believe you me I used them all,even going as far as using OS's from textbooks that you buy) but for these type of applications I guess it will have to be Technet.

I did not know just exactly how much I would miss taking courses online (but in that reguard if you take them on campus the only difference is someone reads the book to you as my College's lab stops at the A+ level). Sure I could have gone the ITT route and spent 55K per year and had access to a lab but I would have forever been in debt paying for it. My choice was to stick with Community College and their really poor learning environment but lower cost and set my lab(s) up at home.

Can you be a bit more specific when you speak of "more powerful server" when I wish to run the Terminal Services role of Server 2008? My situstion is just a home/lab environment. We never spoke at all about setting up any of the roles offered in Server 2008 (other than just making them active) for home experemential use, and Server 2008 was actually one of the classes I took on campus.

Lastly my school gave no help at all and was very negative towards any student gaining the knowledge too actually put anything on the web so I turned to "The Teacher of Today" better known as YouTube.
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